Bangkok Airport Rail Link (ARL): Updates, Advice, Discussion
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Always empty Expresss (RIP) and now rush hour jam packed ...
TiT
Actually, even my last two non rush hour arrival / departure were pretty full. Lots of falang tourist, lots of Thais, even some Chinese with pretty much uncontrolled four year old child
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I flew out of BKK last week, taking the Airport link from Phaya Thai.
With 5 minutes to departure the platform was so full, the top of the escalator had no space for more people.
Then the train came in. As a further flood of people offloaded, it was a spectacle. Hilarious, really.
It's good that it's a success. And for 45 THB a great deal.
But, I can't believe how horribly conceived the design was. Did they plan to never run at capacity?
With 5 minutes to departure the platform was so full, the top of the escalator had no space for more people.
Then the train came in. As a further flood of people offloaded, it was a spectacle. Hilarious, really.
It's good that it's a success. And for 45 THB a great deal.
But, I can't believe how horribly conceived the design was. Did they plan to never run at capacity?
And the reason they don't do this is simple......
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I flew out of BKK last week, taking the Airport link from Phaya Thai.
With 5 minutes to departure the platform was so full, the top of the escalator had no space for more people.
Then the train came in. As a further flood of people offloaded, it was a spectacle. Hilarious, really.
It's good that it's a success. And for 45 THB a great deal.
But, I can't believe how horribly conceived the design was. Did they plan to never run at capacity?
With 5 minutes to departure the platform was so full, the top of the escalator had no space for more people.
Then the train came in. As a further flood of people offloaded, it was a spectacle. Hilarious, really.
It's good that it's a success. And for 45 THB a great deal.
But, I can't believe how horribly conceived the design was. Did they plan to never run at capacity?
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Most public transportation here is subsidized by the government.
The State Railway of Thailand currently operates the SARL, but there are plans to sell this off as they are losing money, and the entire system is way overdue for maintenance. All the rolling stock is at least 30% past it's scheduled maintenance.
Any company which takes this over will raise the fares significantly. Some subsidy might remain for monthly trip tickets/elderly/students (not stored value), thereby allowing airport pax to shoulder the burden.
The 45 baht fare is cheap for 26 Km. A 22 Km journey on the BTS (Mor Chit to Bearing is 57 baht, with the 15 baht kicker).
There have been some significant outages on the SARL recently. The incident on March 21 was a bit disconcerting. There have been other incidents recently, although not quite as bad.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/brea...-30282084.html
This train was not really designed (speed) for its current operating model (capacity). Airport passengers/luggage take up a lot of room, and the frequency does not address commuters.
The platform situation is alarming; amazing there haven't been any incidents yet? (There may have been, but nothing in the news I've seen.) There is not enough room for, nor a switch west of Phaya Thai, while the switch before Phaya Thai wouldn't address to dis/embarking passenger issue. (That was used for the Express.)
I think they will have to implement a queuing system for departing passengers, at Phaya Thai and Makkasan at least, on the ticketing mezzanine level. This would allow arriving passengers to head down/out, and then allow departing passengers to go up to the platform (in a mad rush).
Given the way things operate here, I'd expect SARL service to get a whole lot worse (like tomorrow) before it gets better (in 10 years). That's just the nature here. I do anything to avoid riding on this train now.
The State Railway of Thailand currently operates the SARL, but there are plans to sell this off as they are losing money, and the entire system is way overdue for maintenance. All the rolling stock is at least 30% past it's scheduled maintenance.
Any company which takes this over will raise the fares significantly. Some subsidy might remain for monthly trip tickets/elderly/students (not stored value), thereby allowing airport pax to shoulder the burden.
The 45 baht fare is cheap for 26 Km. A 22 Km journey on the BTS (Mor Chit to Bearing is 57 baht, with the 15 baht kicker).
There have been some significant outages on the SARL recently. The incident on March 21 was a bit disconcerting. There have been other incidents recently, although not quite as bad.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/brea...-30282084.html
This train was not really designed (speed) for its current operating model (capacity). Airport passengers/luggage take up a lot of room, and the frequency does not address commuters.
The platform situation is alarming; amazing there haven't been any incidents yet? (There may have been, but nothing in the news I've seen.) There is not enough room for, nor a switch west of Phaya Thai, while the switch before Phaya Thai wouldn't address to dis/embarking passenger issue. (That was used for the Express.)
I think they will have to implement a queuing system for departing passengers, at Phaya Thai and Makkasan at least, on the ticketing mezzanine level. This would allow arriving passengers to head down/out, and then allow departing passengers to go up to the platform (in a mad rush).
Given the way things operate here, I'd expect SARL service to get a whole lot worse (like tomorrow) before it gets better (in 10 years). That's just the nature here. I do anything to avoid riding on this train now.
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It's a shame. The concept was great - just let down by the design and implementation. I suppose the current state of the system will at least make the taxi drivers happier...
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Is the flight JL32 to HND at 09:45 less stressful, if one is staying in BKK and going to the airport in the AM? Would a taxi at 7 am be better than taking the train/metro?
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No idea about HND as I've never flown through there. In the morning, it's rush hour, even at 7 a.m. I always take a taxi or limo. You can certainly consider the ARL if you are traveling light; but the train is likely to be crowded, between commuters and the people trying to get to the airport for morning departures.
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No idea about HND as I've never flown through there. In the morning, it's rush hour, even at 7 a.m. I always take a taxi or limo. You can certainly consider the ARL if you are traveling light; but the train is likely to be crowded, between commuters and the people trying to get to the airport for morning departures.
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Headline is a bit misleading, this is more about reconfiguring the trains - so the Express service will never return, finally doing some maintenance, and running them a bit faster...
This throwaway at the end of the article is interesting...
The new trains will improve the company's services as it plans to serve passengers around the clock, he said.
No more Express Line for Airport Rail Link
The Transport Ministry is spending 22 million baht upgrading four Airport Rail Link trains and streamlining services to increase train speeds and reduce travel times as part of an effort to draw more passengers.
One of the four electric skytrains has been upgraded and since passed speed and safety tests, Deputy Transport Minister Ormsin Chivapruck said yesterday as he presided over a ceremony to launch the newly renovated train.
Another three will be ready for use by December, he said.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gene...port-rail-link
This throwaway at the end of the article is interesting...
The new trains will improve the company's services as it plans to serve passengers around the clock, he said.
No more Express Line for Airport Rail Link
The Transport Ministry is spending 22 million baht upgrading four Airport Rail Link trains and streamlining services to increase train speeds and reduce travel times as part of an effort to draw more passengers.
One of the four electric skytrains has been upgraded and since passed speed and safety tests, Deputy Transport Minister Ormsin Chivapruck said yesterday as he presided over a ceremony to launch the newly renovated train.
Another three will be ready for use by December, he said.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gene...port-rail-link
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While I always liked the express service, I never really got it. If you only have one track in each direction, express service means that the express train has to wait a bit after the last local train before it can leave so that it doesn't catch up to the local ahead of it. So you don't really get to Makkasan or Phaya Thai any more quickly. Or you can have some areas of the track split off into two in each direction so that the express train can pass the local; but that requires very precise timing.
The real way to do express service is to have two tracks in each direction, one dedicated to express service.
The real way to do express service is to have two tracks in each direction, one dedicated to express service.
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While I always liked the express service, I never really got it. If you only have one track in each direction, express service means that the express train has to wait a bit after the last local train before it can leave so that it doesn't catch up to the local ahead of it. So you don't really get to Makkasan or Phaya Thai any more quickly. Or you can have some areas of the track split off into two in each direction so that the express train can pass the local; but that requires very precise timing.
The real way to do express service is to have two tracks in each direction, one dedicated to express service.
The real way to do express service is to have two tracks in each direction, one dedicated to express service.
This [bolding mine] is exactly how it was set up. Hua Mak was the bypass area and Makkasan's alignment could have allowed the same but the track was never configured to do so.
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Trouble was (is) that not enough pax were willing to pony up the extra Baht (myself included).
OK, I did once, and I'm still kicking myself for that
Just hope this will fix the pain ....
OK, I did once, and I'm still kicking myself for that
Just hope this will fix the pain ....