It doesn't have to be Randy who tells TB if one of the members earns a suspension. It can also be the President or Vice President - as stated in the guidelines. I suspect it will depend on who has access to that information.
In honesty, given we all hang out on the private board, you notice the 'Suspended' tag pretty quickly, since there are only a small number of us using it. It's more likely that we will have to be told if the suspension is a 30 day, rather than that a member has been suspended.
The president serves as the liasion between TB and mods as an official role. The VP can deputise for the president should they be incommunicado. But in this instance, if the provision is passed, there is a necessity to inform TB of whether the automatic recommendation should happen - and also (IMHO although there is nothing to say this should be done within the guidelines) inform Randy that the automatic recommendation has kicked in.
The president serves as the liasion between TB and mods as an official role. The VP can deputise for the president should they be incommunicado.
If this is correct it is something new. When did it go into effect?
I can not remember, even once, the TB president or vice president passing on moderation information to TB.
Indeed, in order to be able to do so, it would seem that he would have to be a moderator himself in order to have access to the information. There is no such requirement, as evidenced by the fact that Cigarman was TB president without being a moderator and Attorney28 was TalkBoard vice president without being a moderator.
It's quite noticable when someone is no longer able to participate on TalkBoard. However, there is no announcement to the TalkBoard if a member has been suspended.
Randy will be automatically notified and he would inform the TalkBoard of his decision to act upon the recommendation to remove.
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Randy would not say anything unless he chose to uphold the member's suspension and decided to remove the member per the automatic recommendation.
Then how does the TB know to notify Randy? After all, if I see "Suspended" under a member's name, it does not inform me of how long the suspension is for.
Officially, the first suspension is 7 days and the second is 30 days, but there have been many cases where this has not been followed (and the TOS allows for exceptions).
I certainly hope that you are not saying that a moderator (be he a TB member or not) will inform TB of the details of the suspension as that would be a TOS violation in itself.
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Then how does the TB know to notify Randy? After all, if I see "Suspended" under a member's name, it does not inform me of how long the suspension is for.
Officially, the first suspension is 7 days and the second is 30 days, but there have been many cases where this has not been followed (and the TOS allows for exceptions).
I certainly hope that you are not saying that a moderator (be he a TB member or not) will inform TB of the details of the suspension as that would be a TOS violation in itself.
If someone is unable to participate beyond 7 days, Randy will be automatically notified, not necessarily by the TalkBoard.
If you feel there is a TOS violation, take it up with Randy, as he has requested all FlyerTalkers do.
If someone is unable to participate beyond 7 days, Randy will be automatically notified, not necessarily by the TalkBoard.
If you feel there is a TOS violation, take it up with Randy, as he has requested all FlyerTalkers do.
Then is TalkBoard mandating that a moderator who gives a TB member a suspension of over 7 days notify Randy? Can TB set such a requirement for a moderator?
No, I don't think there has been a TOS violation yet but I do feel that there would be if a moderator notified TB of a moderation issue.
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Then is TalkBoard mandating that a moderator who gives a TB member a suspension of over 7 days notify Randy? Can TB set such a requirement for a moderator?
No, I don't think there has been a TOS violation yet but I do feel that there would be if a moderator notified TB of a moderation issue.
IMHO, it's even worse than that: by automatically dumping TB members based on moderation aren't we revealing moderation? If I get dumped from TB it is apparent I had a 30-day suspension under the proposed rules. That's disclosing a specific moderation. Against the TOS.
The TB should, imho, stay away from these moderation standards and issues. It's a minefield full of unintended consequences. The status quo is really not broken. Let's stop trying to fix it.
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Then is TalkBoard mandating that a moderator who gives a TB member a suspension of over 7 days notify Randy? Can TB set such a requirement for a moderator?
No, I don't think there has been a TOS violation yet but I do feel that there would be if a moderator notified TB of a moderation issue.
TalkBoard is making no such mandate/requirement. If you feel there are any TOS violations, feel free to contact Randy.
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IMHO, it's even worse than that: by automatically dumping TB members based on moderation aren't we revealing moderation? If I get dumped from TB it is apparent I had a 30-day suspension under the proposed rules. That's disclosing a specific moderation. Against the TOS.
The TB should, imho, stay away from these moderation standards and issues. It's a minefield full of unintended consequences. The status quo is really not broken. Let's stop trying to fix it.
So sorry; it's a behavior issue, not a moderation issue.
Some people do feel that the status quo is broken and that poor behavior makes for a less-productive TalkBoard. These people want to see the nonsense that all too often is a part of TalkBoard come to an end.
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Question: Can a permanently suspended member still remain on TB? After all, after six months they can request reinstatement, so potentially still within their 2 year term.
At the moment, yes, that could potentially happen.
