Closing the External Miles and Points Resources Forum
#16
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Perhaps you're right. But I would hope we'd have higher standards of civility and politeness for those are still members of FlyerTalk , even if they don't post often (and can you blame them when attacks and salacious posts and innuendo concerning a member's sexuality are allowed to stand?). In some cases, these members contributed a great deal to the formation of FlyerTalk.
The whole forum is just an excercise in unfettered fecklessness.
The whole forum is just an excercise in unfettered fecklessness.
And, let's be honest, when was the last time Gary or Ben actually contributed to FT? Sure, they will visit and borrow material for their blogs, but can they really be considered members?
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So, if Doug Parker, Ed Bastian, and Oscar Munoz all signed up for accounts, would people not be able to criticize their management styles/positions, despite how those affect the airlines and frequent flyer programs? What about the Chase cards forum if Jamie Dimon became a member? What about Amex if Kenneth Chenault became a member? Etc.
#19
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Yes, they contributed in the past. Now, it seems like they use FT as a place to get information to compile into their blogs - blogs from which they earn a living. I don't think I see many, if any, continue to contribute. Now they're just doing whatever they can to drive the clicks to their site so they have a chance of earning some credit card referral bonus.
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So, if Doug Parker, Ed Bastian, and Oscar Munoz all signed up for accounts, would people not be able to criticize their management styles/positions, despite how those affect the airlines and frequent flyer programs? What about the Chase cards forum if Jamie Dimon became a member? What about Amex if Kenneth Chenault became a member? Etc.
Let's deal with that when they do.
In the meantime we have personal attacks that go untouched on valued members of FT who have contributed much to its growth and reputation.
Let's focus on that.
Note your past tense
Yes, they contributed in the past. Now, it seems like they use FT as a place to get information to compile into their blogs - blogs from which they earn a living. I don't think I see many, if any, continue to contribute. Now they're just doing whatever they can to drive the clicks to their site so they have a chance of earning some credit card referral bonus.
Yes, they contributed in the past. Now, it seems like they use FT as a place to get information to compile into their blogs - blogs from which they earn a living. I don't think I see many, if any, continue to contribute. Now they're just doing whatever they can to drive the clicks to their site so they have a chance of earning some credit card referral bonus.
#21
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You are doing a very good job of dismissing counterarguments while continuing to push your own opinion. "You are wrong because I am right!"
One last thought, you said that the TheBOSman's question is a red herring, yet their are employees who are FT members. The VP of Hyatt Gold Passport comes to mind. Is Gold Passport now exempt from criticism since he is member?
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#22
I don't see the personal attacks, neither the value these members ad.
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So, if Doug Parker, Ed Bastian, and Oscar Munoz all signed up for accounts, would people not be able to criticize their management styles/positions, despite how those affect the airlines and frequent flyer programs? What about the Chase cards forum if Jamie Dimon became a member? What about Amex if Kenneth Chenault became a member? Etc.
#24
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You'd be surprised how little moderation I do there. I'm happy to report that AFAIR I have not banned anyone due to posts in EM&PR either, except maybe a few sockpuppets/duplicates. We have the usual mix of strong opinions on either side and a few baiters, no different from what you would see on an airline FFP section.
This topic has been debated in the following thread, but not really come to a conclusion: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/exter...reas-fall.html
This topic has been debated in the following thread, but not really come to a conclusion: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/exter...reas-fall.html
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That's quite the logical stretch. Rhetorically effective, I suppose, but specious and a logical fallacy.
I'm sorry.
Well-put. Unfortunately, that distinction is not honored in this forum where the whole point sometimes seems to be a place where personalized pot shots will be both tolerated and encouraged.
I don't see the personal attacks, neither the value these members ad.
Well-put. Unfortunately, that distinction is not honored in this forum where the whole point sometimes seems to be a place where personalized pot shots will be both tolerated and encouraged.
#26
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Am I on your blocked list? Where are these personal attacks? If EMPR really is overflowing with them it shouldn't be too hard to direct us to a few examples.
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#28
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What I do see is a lot of critique (and often praise!) of content, style, grammar and practices. If you would like, I can provide plenty of specific examples. ^
#29
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I find the forum to be an informative counterpoint to the blogs.
Surely, we can continue to point out misleading information, questionable motivations, and horrific punctuation within the bounds of FT's TOS.
Surely, we can continue to point out misleading information, questionable motivations, and horrific punctuation within the bounds of FT's TOS.
#30
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The second is much trickier and almost inevitably leads to personal attacks on FT members.