Voting Ended - Motion Passed: Renaming Car Rental Programs/Partners & adding forum
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Voting Ended - Motion Passed: Renaming Car Rental Programs/Partners & adding forum
Moved by CMK10 and seconded by bdschobel:
TalkBoard recommends renaming the heading "Car Rental Programs/Partners" to become "Car Rental Programs and Ride Services"
TalkBoard recommends creation of a new forum at the top position under that heading entitled "Ride Services, including Uber and Lyft".
This vote will close on May 13, 2015 , at 3:00PM* CST or after all TalkBoard members have registered their vote, whichever comes first.
Per the TalkBoard Guidelines:
A motion shall pass if at least two-thirds of the yes or no votes cast by TalkBoard members are ‘yes’ and a majority of the total TalkBoard membership votes 'yes' after voting opens 2 days after a site-wide announcement.
The purpose of posting voting topics in the public TalkBoard Topics forum is to solicit member feedback on any motions that are up for a vote and to allow for comments after a vote is made. It is at the sole discretion of the individual TalkBoard members whether they choose to post in the public discussion thread, there being no requirement to do so.
So while there is already a thread and discussion on this general topic and it is safe to assume that TalkBoard members have reviewed that thread, this thread is about this specific motion.
Please feel free to post questions, comments or any other sort of feedback in this thread or the discussion thread found here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...flyertalk.html
*will revise exact time once site-wide announcement is made
TalkBoard recommends renaming the heading "Car Rental Programs/Partners" to become "Car Rental Programs and Ride Services"
TalkBoard recommends creation of a new forum at the top position under that heading entitled "Ride Services, including Uber and Lyft".
This vote will close on May 13, 2015 , at 3:00PM* CST or after all TalkBoard members have registered their vote, whichever comes first.
Per the TalkBoard Guidelines:
A motion shall pass if at least two-thirds of the yes or no votes cast by TalkBoard members are ‘yes’ and a majority of the total TalkBoard membership votes 'yes' after voting opens 2 days after a site-wide announcement.
The purpose of posting voting topics in the public TalkBoard Topics forum is to solicit member feedback on any motions that are up for a vote and to allow for comments after a vote is made. It is at the sole discretion of the individual TalkBoard members whether they choose to post in the public discussion thread, there being no requirement to do so.
So while there is already a thread and discussion on this general topic and it is safe to assume that TalkBoard members have reviewed that thread, this thread is about this specific motion.
Please feel free to post questions, comments or any other sort of feedback in this thread or the discussion thread found here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...flyertalk.html
*will revise exact time once site-wide announcement is made
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Oppose. There were some very good alternatives being debated in the other thread before this motion was made and feel they should be explored further.
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Oppose.
I have used Uber in many cities spanning three continents. As the service varies widely in different locations, the existing Destinations forums are my go to place for discussion of Uber. It works well, so why change it?
Discussion of Uber and Lyft rarely occurs in isolation - they are simply alternatives to other ground transportation options available in each city they operate in, so splitting Uber discussion away from the alternatives will create duplication and ultimately cause confusion.
There are a myriad of other mobile booking providers offering comparable single ride services as Uber and Lyft but there is no explanation as to why Uber and Lyft should be singled out. Halo, for example is expanding its coverage across European cities. Is it TalkBoard's expectation that Halo related topics continue in the respective Destination forums?
Ten threads started over a 4 year period in TravelBuzz covering generic Uber/Lyft issues does not demonstrate sufficient demand for a dedicated forum.
Finally, inserting a separate ground transportation forum in the Mile&Points section is counter intuitive; it will jar with the existing forum structure.
I have used Uber in many cities spanning three continents. As the service varies widely in different locations, the existing Destinations forums are my go to place for discussion of Uber. It works well, so why change it?
Discussion of Uber and Lyft rarely occurs in isolation - they are simply alternatives to other ground transportation options available in each city they operate in, so splitting Uber discussion away from the alternatives will create duplication and ultimately cause confusion.
There are a myriad of other mobile booking providers offering comparable single ride services as Uber and Lyft but there is no explanation as to why Uber and Lyft should be singled out. Halo, for example is expanding its coverage across European cities. Is it TalkBoard's expectation that Halo related topics continue in the respective Destination forums?
Ten threads started over a 4 year period in TravelBuzz covering generic Uber/Lyft issues does not demonstrate sufficient demand for a dedicated forum.
Finally, inserting a separate ground transportation forum in the Mile&Points section is counter intuitive; it will jar with the existing forum structure.
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...Ten threads started over a 4 year period in TravelBuzz covering generic Uber/Lyft issues does not demonstrate sufficient demand for a dedicated forum.
Finally, inserting a separate ground transportation forum in the Mile&Points section is counter intuitive; it will jar with the existing forum structure.
Finally, inserting a separate ground transportation forum in the Mile&Points section is counter intuitive; it will jar with the existing forum structure.
We aren't "inserting" a separate "ground transportation" forum. The car-rental forum is already there. We are merely expanding it to cover ride-service companies. And it's not so broad as to cover all forms of ground transportation. It doesn't include Amtrak or Greyhound, for instance.
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It proves a lack of demand which is what TB used to look at first when considering forum creation. The 'build it and they will come' approach hasn't worked well in recent years as some new forums sit almost idle while TB opts not to follow its own guidelines and conduct an annual forum traffic review with an eye to shuttering lightly used fora.
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Ten threads appeared despite the lack of a natural place for them. Perhaps with a forum, we'll see many more. Who knows? But the fact that there were ten in 4 years proves nothing.
We aren't "inserting" a separate "ground transportation" forum. The car-rental forum is already there. We are merely expanding it to cover ride-service companies. And it's not so broad as to cover all forms of ground transportation. It doesn't include Amtrak or Greyhound, for instance.
Bruce
We aren't "inserting" a separate "ground transportation" forum. The car-rental forum is already there. We are merely expanding it to cover ride-service companies. And it's not so broad as to cover all forms of ground transportation. It doesn't include Amtrak or Greyhound, for instance.
Bruce
If you were to put yourself in the shoes of someone who relies on the forum structure to navigate their way to each forum, if you were interested in Uber would you click on Miles&Points? I wouldn’t - it is just not a logical signpost for the subject. I’d go immediately to Destinations menu, then to the desired local forum.
To me the connection between chauffeured car services and car rentals is very slender so it seems illogical to lump the two together. Uber has so much more in common with local taxi rail and bus services. It is proven so because currently that's where the bulk of the traffic is going.
I am actually open to suggestion but without a clear narrative supporting this proposal, it is difficult to see merit - which I am sure there must be otherwise TalkBoard would not have put forward this proposal.
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It proves a lack of demand which is what TB used to look at first when considering forum creation. The 'build it and they will come' approach hasn't worked well in recent years as some new forums sit almost idle while TB opts not to follow its own guidelines and conduct an annual forum traffic review with an eye to shuttering lightly used fora.
Bruce
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Not, it's actually not as 10 threads started over a 4 year period in TravelBuzz hardly constitutes enough demand to warrant forum creation. If there were a massive unmet need we'd see dozens or hundreds of threads scattered over multiple forums but that quite obviously isn't the case. Foolhardy is continuing to create more & more forums based on nothing more than imagined future demand.
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"Proving" a lack of demand is nearly impossible, as you must know. How much demand was there for personal computers before they existed? Uber and Lyft (and are there others?) are so new and growing so quickly that looking to the past to gauge demand is foolhardy.
Bruce
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As a non-mandarin speaking visitor to Shanghai, Uber has been a god send. It has removed the frustration of translation and miscommunication from the transaction and I am comforted knowing my driver knows exactly where I wish to go and how to get there. This is a contextually dependent example well understood and covered in the China forum. My fear is the invaluable local knowledgebases will not port over to the proposed generic forum.
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I'm disappointed that 14 hours after option #1 and #2 were mentioned in the other thread, and TB members who posted after the 2 options were brought up were split on which one they preferred, that we suddenly have a motion and now a vote.
I expected TB would want more input on the 2 options before going to a motion, if they even went to one at all. Again, disappointing.
Cheers.
I expected TB would want more input on the 2 options before going to a motion, if they even went to one at all. Again, disappointing.
Cheers.
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Ten threads appeared despite the lack of a natural place for them. Perhaps with a forum, we'll see many more. Who knows? But the fact that there were ten in 4 years proves nothing.
We aren't "inserting" a separate "ground transportation" forum. The car-rental forum is already there. We are merely expanding it to cover ride-service companies. And it's not so broad as to cover all forms of ground transportation. It doesn't include Amtrak or Greyhound, for instance.
Bruce
We aren't "inserting" a separate "ground transportation" forum. The car-rental forum is already there. We are merely expanding it to cover ride-service companies. And it's not so broad as to cover all forms of ground transportation. It doesn't include Amtrak or Greyhound, for instance.
Bruce
It proves a lack of demand which is what TB used to look at first when considering forum creation. The 'build it and they will come' approach hasn't worked well in recent years as some new forums sit almost idle while TB opts not to follow its own guidelines and conduct an annual forum traffic review with an eye to shuttering lightly used fora.
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I'm disappointed that 14 hours after option #1 and #2 were mentioned in the other thread, and TB members who posted after the 2 options were brought up were split on which one they preferred, that we suddenly have a motion and now a vote.
I expected TB would want more input on the 2 options before going to a motion, if they even went to one at all. Again, disappointing.
Cheers.
I expected TB would want more input on the 2 options before going to a motion, if they even went to one at all. Again, disappointing.
Cheers.
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Oppose.
I have used Uber in many cities spanning three continents. As the service varies widely in different locations, the existing Destinations forums are my go to place for discussion of Uber. It works well, so why change it?
Discussion of Uber and Lyft rarely occurs in isolation - they are simply alternatives to other ground transportation options available in each city they operate in, so splitting Uber discussion away from the alternatives will create duplication and ultimately cause confusion.
There are a myriad of other mobile booking providers offering comparable single ride services as Uber and Lyft but there is no explanation as to why Uber and Lyft should be singled out. Halo, for example is expanding its coverage across European cities. Is it TalkBoard's expectation that Halo related topics continue in the respective Destination forums?
Ten threads started over a 4 year period in TravelBuzz covering generic Uber/Lyft issues does not demonstrate sufficient demand for a dedicated forum.
Finally, inserting a separate ground transportation forum in the Mile&Points section is counter intuitive; it will jar with the existing forum structure.
I have used Uber in many cities spanning three continents. As the service varies widely in different locations, the existing Destinations forums are my go to place for discussion of Uber. It works well, so why change it?
Discussion of Uber and Lyft rarely occurs in isolation - they are simply alternatives to other ground transportation options available in each city they operate in, so splitting Uber discussion away from the alternatives will create duplication and ultimately cause confusion.
There are a myriad of other mobile booking providers offering comparable single ride services as Uber and Lyft but there is no explanation as to why Uber and Lyft should be singled out. Halo, for example is expanding its coverage across European cities. Is it TalkBoard's expectation that Halo related topics continue in the respective Destination forums?
Ten threads started over a 4 year period in TravelBuzz covering generic Uber/Lyft issues does not demonstrate sufficient demand for a dedicated forum.
Finally, inserting a separate ground transportation forum in the Mile&Points section is counter intuitive; it will jar with the existing forum structure.