Suggestion: Move Frontier EarlyReturns forum into Budget NA/SA
Aug 6, 2014, 9:22 pm
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Suggestion: Move Frontier EarlyReturns forum into Budget NA/SA
With today's Black Wednesday e-mail announcement from Frontier that the EarlyReturns program (Ascent/Summit) dies February 20, 2015 in favor of a zombie-like "Frontier Elite" program with virtually no benefits, I'd like to propose that we also kill off the Frontier EarlyReturns forum and place Frontier where it aspires to be: In Budget North and South American Airlines.
Budget NA/SA is already home to Spirit and Allegiant posts, and if there's ever been an airline that wants to out-ULCC Spirit, it's the "new" Frontier.
Since the 2015 FF program will be practically nothing, and there's every indication that Frontier will eliminate the dregs in a short time anyway, I say put the Frontier forum out of its misery.
Budget NA/SA is already home to Spirit and Allegiant posts, and if there's ever been an airline that wants to out-ULCC Spirit, it's the "new" Frontier.
Since the 2015 FF program will be practically nothing, and there's every indication that Frontier will eliminate the dregs in a short time anyway, I say put the Frontier forum out of its misery.
Aug 7, 2014, 5:35 am
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With today's Black Wednesday e-mail announcement from Frontier that the EarlyReturns program (Ascent/Summit) dies February 20, 2015 in favor of a zombie-like "Frontier Elite" program with virtually no benefits, I'd like to propose that we also kill off the Frontier EarlyReturns forum and place Frontier where it aspires to be: In Budget North and South American Airlines.
Budget NA/SA is already home to Spirit and Allegiant posts, and if there's ever been an airline that wants to out-ULCC Spirit, it's the "new" Frontier.
Since the 2015 FF program will be practically nothing, and there's every indication that Frontier will eliminate the dregs in a short time anyway, I say put the Frontier forum out of its misery.
Budget NA/SA is already home to Spirit and Allegiant posts, and if there's ever been an airline that wants to out-ULCC Spirit, it's the "new" Frontier.
Since the 2015 FF program will be practically nothing, and there's every indication that Frontier will eliminate the dregs in a short time anyway, I say put the Frontier forum out of its misery.
In the N/S America Budget forum, looking at the first two pages, 32 threads relate to Spirit and 4 related to Allegiant.
If anything, I'd wonder if Spirit warrants consideration for its own forum?
Aug 7, 2014, 8:31 am
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Aug 7, 2014, 7:04 pm
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I'm the one who suggested bringing this subject up here. If you look in the thread about the elite program changes there are at least half a dozen FTers saying they're done with F9. I could see traffic falling off greatly. It's something I'd consider voting for.
Aug 7, 2014, 8:02 pm
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I don't think devaluing, or even eliminating, elite status is a reason to close a forum. Likewise, I don't think angry initial reactions are a meaningful indicator of future flying or posting behavior. Every program makes changes, and every change is perceived as a devaluation by some posters. The early outrage often evaporates as people realize that what matters is not this year's program versus last year's, but rather this year's program versus the competition.
I would revisit this in 2016.
I would revisit this in 2016.
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Aug 8, 2014, 8:01 am
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I don't think devaluing, or even eliminating, elite status is a reason to close a forum. Likewise, I don't think angry initial reactions are a meaningful indicator of future flying or posting behavior. Every program makes changes, and every change is perceived as a devaluation by some posters. The early outrage often evaporates as people realize that what matters is not this year's program versus last year's, but rather this year's program versus the competition.
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Aug 8, 2014, 11:17 am
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I don't think devaluing, or even eliminating, elite status is a reason to close a forum. Likewise, I don't think angry initial reactions are a meaningful indicator of future flying or posting behavior. Every program makes changes, and every change is perceived as a devaluation by some posters. The early outrage often evaporates as people realize that what matters is not this year's program versus last year's, but rather this year's program versus the competition.
I would revisit this in 2016.
I would revisit this in 2016.
Aug 9, 2014, 6:46 pm
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While the Feb. 2015 changes may impact the Frontier forum's useage, it seems to still be pretty active after a cursory look. Perhaps, once the changes are implemented, traffic may fall and warrant moving the thread.
In the N/S America Budget forum, looking at the first two pages, 32 threads relate to Spirit and 4 related to Allegiant.
If anything, I'd wonder if Spirit warrants consideration for its own forum?
In the N/S America Budget forum, looking at the first two pages, 32 threads relate to Spirit and 4 related to Allegiant.
If anything, I'd wonder if Spirit warrants consideration for its own forum?
Aug 12, 2014, 8:00 am
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http://www.flyfrontier.com/frequent-.../Elite-Changes
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Aug 12, 2014, 10:12 am
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However, over the years, FT evolved so that the airlines themselves (basically flying them) was also discussed in those forums.
We recognized this by changing all of the airline forum names to emphasize that discussion of the airline itself is certainly appropriate, in accordance with the forum descriptions.
Aug 12, 2014, 10:58 am
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It will still have a program with earning/redemption and elite benefits. Far more of a FF program than Spirit and other discount North American airlines that dont have their own forums.
http://www.flyfrontier.com/frequent-.../Elite-Changes
http://www.flyfrontier.com/frequent-.../Elite-Changes
Aug 12, 2014, 1:19 pm
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Yes and no. I think this was true when FT was first started and this was reflected in having forums named after the FF programs for a long time.
However, over the years, FT evolved so that the airlines themselves (basically flying them) was also discussed in those forums.
We recognized this by changing all of the airline forum names to emphasize that discussion of the airline itself is certainly appropriate, in accordance with the forum descriptions.
However, over the years, FT evolved so that the airlines themselves (basically flying them) was also discussed in those forums.
We recognized this by changing all of the airline forum names to emphasize that discussion of the airline itself is certainly appropriate, in accordance with the forum descriptions.
But getting back to the suggestion. I think it's very premature to suggest closing the forum given the changes in the program don't take effect until next year & we have no idea how the forum will change (or not) until after they're implemented. Heck, if we went w/ that we would have closed down the United forum on 3/11/12
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Aug 12, 2014, 3:43 pm
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Agree.
But getting back to the suggestion. I think it's very premature to suggest closing the forum given the changes in the program don't take effect until next year & we have no idea how the forum will change (or not) until after they're implemented. Heck, if we went w/ that we would have closed down the United forum on 3/11/12
Cheers.
But getting back to the suggestion. I think it's very premature to suggest closing the forum given the changes in the program don't take effect until next year & we have no idea how the forum will change (or not) until after they're implemented. Heck, if we went w/ that we would have closed down the United forum on 3/11/12
Cheers.
Aug 12, 2014, 7:13 pm
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Looking in frontiers forum, 7 threads with new comments just in the last 2 days with over 100 threads with comments in 2014
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Aug 12, 2014, 7:37 pm
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Merging forums can create critical mass but it also dilutes program-specific information. I see more cost than benefit to this suggestion.