TalkBoard voting outcomes
Jun 8, 2014, 2:16 pm
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Obviously, that's not what I had in mind. I was suggesting that if the nine TalkBoard members sat down in a room together to brainstorm for a day that we might discover some worthwhile things to do. It's easier than posting a proposal, especially if your idea isn't very well fleshed out.
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My objections are based on the fact that the whole concept of TalkBoard, as representatives of the membership, is, and always has been, a farce. TB is restricted to making non-binding recommendations on the establishment of forums and setting its own rules.
To carry this to what may seem to be a ridiculous extreme, but has actually happened in one case, TalkBoard is not even allowed to decide what may or may not be discussed in a forum.
TalkBoard could, tomorrow, decide to establish a TAP Forum and refuse to establish one for Czech Airlines. As the moderators of a forum have sole power to determine what is acceptable on that forum, the new TAP forum mods could ban all discussion of TAP and allow only Czech Airlines posts.
Given its lack of any real authority, I think that TalkBoard should be abolished -- and at least there would be no more pretense that the ordinary members have elected representatives who make important decisions which impact them.
Jun 8, 2014, 2:25 pm
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I get your point, but after all, FlyerTalk itself is a website owned by a private-sector company with ultimate authority over just about everything. If the owners want to have a TalkBoard as a pipeline to the membership, that's fine with me. I never had any illusions about our power -- or lack thereof.
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Jun 8, 2014, 2:43 pm
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Jun 8, 2014, 3:40 pm
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AFAIK TB has only met one time as a group & that was in Phoenix back in '08 (think that was it) when TB was doing a big overhaul of the guidelines (aided by our own koko) & a # of folk were in town for the Freddies and/or Mod Do the next day.
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Jun 9, 2014, 3:21 am
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I feel it would be most unreasonable for this discussion to take place without the presence of some normal members to see fair play/tidy up the carcasses of the slain.
Jun 9, 2014, 3:58 am
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Code:
Usual case = 9 Talkboard members
Yes\No | 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
\--+--------------------------------------------------------------
9 | Pass Not applicable >
8 | Pass Pass Not applicable >
7 | Pass Pass Pass Not applicable >
6 | Pass Pass Pass Pass Not applicable >
5 | Pass Pass Pass Fail Fail Not applicable >
4 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Not applicable >
3 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Not applicable >
2 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Not applicable >
1 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Not applicable
0 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail
Special case = 8 Talkboard members
Yes\No | 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
\--+--------------------------------------------------------
8 | Pass Not applicable >
7 | Pass Pass Not applicable >
6 | Pass Pass Pass Not applicable >
5 | Pass Pass Pass Fail Not applicable >
4 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Not applicable >
3 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Not applicable >
2 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Not applicable >
1 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Not applicable
0 | Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail Fail
Jun 9, 2014, 5:56 am
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Jun 9, 2014, 6:44 am
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Jun 9, 2014, 9:41 am
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Obviously, that's not what I had in mind. I was suggesting that if the nine TalkBoard members sat down in a room together to brainstorm for a day that we might discover some worthwhile things to do. It's easier than posting a proposal, especially if your idea isn't very well fleshed out.
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Jun 10, 2014, 11:31 pm
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Bruce you are the actuary not me, but don't I recall that if say 2 or 3 members did NOT vote by choice, a motion could win on less than 5 votes?
I recall that at one point 2 TB members were suspended from FT and clearly could not vote, and that made for one interesting results as both were against the motion.
Or maybe the wording of the 66% vote was tweaked due to that. Long time back and cannot recall the exact details.
I recall that at one point 2 TB members were suspended from FT and clearly could not vote, and that made for one interesting results as both were against the motion.
Or maybe the wording of the 66% vote was tweaked due to that. Long time back and cannot recall the exact details.
Jun 11, 2014, 3:27 am
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I'm not Bruce, but a motion cannot pass without a 2/3 majority of the TB members voting on it and a majority of the sitting TB, which means nothing less than 5 votes wins if there is a full 9-person (or even an 8-person) TB in place.
Jun 11, 2014, 3:30 am
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Yes, that's exactly right -- and I said "assuming no vacancies." Even with eight members (i.e., one vacancy), a majority is still 5.
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Jun 11, 2014, 7:37 am
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Thanks Bruce .. no one would ever give me a job handling Math or figures as I have clearly proven.
I do recall these was a TB rule once where 66% of the members needed to vote yes on something for it to pass, and when any were suspended or forget etc, shoe-in motions did not pass, so wording was fine tuned.
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I do recall these was a TB rule once where 66% of the members needed to vote yes on something for it to pass, and when any were suspended or forget etc, shoe-in motions did not pass, so wording was fine tuned.
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Jun 11, 2014, 10:13 am
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