Motion Failed 23 Jan 2013 - Create an Airlines of Mainland China Forum
Jan 11, 2013, 9:06 am
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I believe China is the world's second largest market for commercial aviation as is poised to become the world's largest market soon enough. Why not create a separate forum for each of the big 3 Chinese carriers and then have another forum called "other airlines of the PRC"? If Agean, Alitalia, El Al, Qatar merit their own forums I don't see why CZ, CA and MU do not. Certainly more flyertalkers have flown on either of the big 3 Chinese airlines than on Agean or El Al.
Jan 11, 2013, 9:30 am
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That is kind of a bold statement to make. PRC doesn't consider it a separate country, ROC doesn't consider itself a separate country. The UN doesn't consider it a separate country. Every country in the world acknowledges Taiwan as a part of China. (Though a few countries consider ROC to be the real China) Anyway, I think that there should be just one thread for Chinese airlines that don't have their own thread. I don't think the Taiwanese carriers need to be separated from the rest of the China thread, though I do want a China thread personally.
Jan 11, 2013, 10:04 am
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I believe China is the world's second largest market for commercial aviation as is poised to become the world's largest market soon enough. Why not create a separate forum for each of the big 3 Chinese carriers and then have another forum called "other airlines of the PRC"? If Agean, Alitalia, El Al, Qatar merit their own forums I don't see why CZ, CA and MU do not. Certainly more flyertalkers have flown on either of the big 3 Chinese airlines than on Agean or El Al.
Jan 11, 2013, 10:22 am
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I am in support of a china based airlines thread. The website needs to change with the times. More and more Chinese are gradually learning English and will use this website if it can show to be the number 1 source of information. Separation of China airlines and Air China is a must without considering political or geographic to avoid confusion which happens too often.
By the way is there going to be an actual place to vote or will the moderators just view the posts and get the general picture?
By the way is there going to be an actual place to vote or will the moderators just view the posts and get the general picture?
Jan 11, 2013, 10:28 am
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Jan 11, 2013, 9:36 pm
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"China airlines… Must be in the Forum that says China. Oh look, Air China, there it is…"
Jan 12, 2013, 1:31 am
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Yes! Please go for it.
I am fully supportive of A China-based airlines forum (ex-Taiwan). ^
As someone based on of Beijing at the moment, I often find myself looking for information on PRC airlines. Information such as services quality, frequent flyer programs, lounge access and other travel related information.
Having a forum that provides a platform for members to share valuable experience and tips relating to flying Chinese airlines will be a great help to many who travel to/from China and within China.
I personally would contribute whenever I can and hopefully will provide tips to those who need travel tips. Other FTers such as moondog will be a great resources for this proposed forum.
BTW, where do Air Macau, HK Airlines and HK Express fit in this mix? I know Dragon Air fits under CX, but Macau, HK Ex and HK Airlines are largely owned by PRC based airlines (i.e. HK Airlines and Express are majority owned by Hainan Airlines).
As someone based on of Beijing at the moment, I often find myself looking for information on PRC airlines. Information such as services quality, frequent flyer programs, lounge access and other travel related information.
Having a forum that provides a platform for members to share valuable experience and tips relating to flying Chinese airlines will be a great help to many who travel to/from China and within China.
I personally would contribute whenever I can and hopefully will provide tips to those who need travel tips. Other FTers such as moondog will be a great resources for this proposed forum.
BTW, where do Air Macau, HK Airlines and HK Express fit in this mix? I know Dragon Air fits under CX, but Macau, HK Ex and HK Airlines are largely owned by PRC based airlines (i.e. HK Airlines and Express are majority owned by Hainan Airlines).
Jan 12, 2013, 3:17 am
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In any case my research that the traffic on those carriers is extremely limited.
Jan 12, 2013, 6:12 am
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This motion is about PRC FFP and airlines, not politics...
Unlike what jiejie did, your preliminary search didn't distinguish Taiwanese carriers from PRC ones. You do realize in your rough search term "china", you have included "China Airlines" in those 5295 threads? I didn't bother to recheck your numbers, but what kind of PRC FFP/airlines topics and traffic are covered in those 5295 threads?
In case you had missed it, our China Ambassador jiejie's analyses of 2012 data provides a more in-depth insight to what kind of traffic had been about PRC-based FFPs on FT:
I did a quick pass through the Other Asian, Australian, and South Pacific FFPs subforum for 2012 and identified the threads having to do with Airlines of the PRC (excluding Taiwan, HK, Macau). Summary:
Total subforum threads in 2012: 510
Total about Airlines of China: 133 = 26% of threads
Breakdown of Main content of these 133 threads, per original poster and in decreasing order of frequency:
1) Airline fleet, specific aircraft, product and/or service: 35
2) Airline contacts, booking, reservations, online, seat selection, fares, and paid upgrades (non-FFP related): 17
3) Transiting and layovers in Chinese airports, visa (less), procedures: 12
4) Baggage policies, limits, interlining: 11
5) Frequent Flyer Programs, mileage earns, Alliance-related: 10
6) General airline quality, safety, or comparative: 10
7) New routing/service announcements: 9
8) Lounges and Clubs: 8
9) Reviews, trip reports, opinions (non-questions): 7
10) Ticket policies, card billing, irrops policies: 6
11) Cust. Svc grumbles: booking, boarding denials, delays: 5
12) Promotion or award announcements, deals wanted: 3
Obviously this doesn't address posts per thread, nor am I interested in going to that level of detail, since I think it matters less. And I don't know if 2012 is representative or not of previous years. But using the assumption that it is, it's pretty clear that FFP issues have not been much of a priority with FT members so far.
So, given overall volume and this pattern of thread questions, does it still make sense to create a new subforum? Alternatively, could answers to some of the common questions that keep popping up be handled in a Sticky at the top of the existing forum?
Total subforum threads in 2012: 510
Total about Airlines of China: 133 = 26% of threads
Breakdown of Main content of these 133 threads, per original poster and in decreasing order of frequency:
1) Airline fleet, specific aircraft, product and/or service: 35
2) Airline contacts, booking, reservations, online, seat selection, fares, and paid upgrades (non-FFP related): 17
3) Transiting and layovers in Chinese airports, visa (less), procedures: 12
4) Baggage policies, limits, interlining: 11
5) Frequent Flyer Programs, mileage earns, Alliance-related: 10
6) General airline quality, safety, or comparative: 10
7) New routing/service announcements: 9
8) Lounges and Clubs: 8
9) Reviews, trip reports, opinions (non-questions): 7
10) Ticket policies, card billing, irrops policies: 6
11) Cust. Svc grumbles: booking, boarding denials, delays: 5
12) Promotion or award announcements, deals wanted: 3
Obviously this doesn't address posts per thread, nor am I interested in going to that level of detail, since I think it matters less. And I don't know if 2012 is representative or not of previous years. But using the assumption that it is, it's pretty clear that FFP issues have not been much of a priority with FT members so far.
So, given overall volume and this pattern of thread questions, does it still make sense to create a new subforum? Alternatively, could answers to some of the common questions that keep popping up be handled in a Sticky at the top of the existing forum?
If I may be clear for one more time, this TB motion does NOT include Taiwanese carriers. Unless TB would come back with another new motion, this is what 9 TBers are voting on this time:
I think more and focused discussion on PRC carriers and FFPs shall help TBers decide how they will cast their votes before the poll "closes on Jan 23, 13 at 11:24 pm."
Jan 12, 2013, 6:27 am
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Further the data is only from the Other carriers forum, and only 2012.
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Originally Posted by jiejie I did a quick pass through the Other Asian, Australian, and South Pacific FFPs subforum for 2012
I am sure you know the difference between "thread" and "forum", but I am really confused by your above sentences in bold. A thread cannot have its own sticky at the top of a page. It's possible to have a wikipost within a thread though, which is in its beta phase in some fora on FT.
Jan 12, 2013, 6:41 am
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Like I've mentioned in the other thread on this topic, I'm mildly opposed to the idea, but if the motion were to pass, I'd support the new forum.
Insofar as the 两岸问题 is concerned, I'm a bit surprised that people still get so worked up over this. Nobody in these parts, so much as, mentions it anymore. My (mild) objection to the proposal at hand has nothing at all to do with that spat... I simply think we're on the (possible) verge of creating another ghost town.
Jan 12, 2013, 9:41 am
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As a regular user of all the relevant forums in regard to this question (Other Asian..., China..., Asia..., etc.), frequently flying around Asia and China, I'm mildly opposed to the proposal for the reasons Moondog gives. I basically think the present forums work. A couple of other points, picking up on UA Flyer's points:
1. What would really be useful are stickies of general information for the major Chinese airlines. Whether in the existing forum or a new one.
2. Given the proposed forum title of "Mainland China" (to which I have no objections), HK and Macao, along with Taiwan, would stay outside. The ownership question is secondary.
...I often find myself looking for information on PRC airlines. Information such as services quality, frequent flyer programs, lounge access and other travel related information....
BTW, where do Air Macau, HK Airlines and HK Express fit in this mix? I know Dragon Air fits under CX, but Macau, HK Ex and HK Airlines are largely owned by PRC based airlines (i.e. HK Airlines and Express are majority owned by Hainan Airlines).
BTW, where do Air Macau, HK Airlines and HK Express fit in this mix? I know Dragon Air fits under CX, but Macau, HK Ex and HK Airlines are largely owned by PRC based airlines (i.e. HK Airlines and Express are majority owned by Hainan Airlines).
2. Given the proposed forum title of "Mainland China" (to which I have no objections), HK and Macao, along with Taiwan, would stay outside. The ownership question is secondary.
Jan 12, 2013, 12:52 pm
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Who cares??
Jan 12, 2013, 5:13 pm
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Jan 12, 2013, 8:11 pm
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this would be very useful
As someone who took over 100 domestic flight segments in China last year, I am often looking for others' experience on China's constantly shifting domestic flight landscape. In addition to flights being added and dropped, train service is now an option sometimes and it is good share experiences.
Mainland China is the correct term to use, the same in Chinese, clear and not offensive to anyone unless they are easily offended on the Taiwan China subject.
I don't find wading through the current thread easy as I may be more time poor than others.
Mainland China is the correct term to use, the same in Chinese, clear and not offensive to anyone unless they are easily offended on the Taiwan China subject.
I don't find wading through the current thread easy as I may be more time poor than others.