Motion Failed: Require Login to View Mileage Run Forum
Feb 17, 2012, 4:36 pm
#91
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Feb 17, 2012, 5:53 pm
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So when it comes to currently active users of a forum and the display shows "192 (63 members & 129 guests)" as it did a few minutes ago in the MR Deals forum, then the 63 covers FTers -- including those who have choosen to hide their log-in status by way of the FT member profile feature -- while the 129 "guests" includes persons who may or may not be FTers?
Feb 17, 2012, 6:49 pm
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I agree that one should have to log in to FT to see MR deals.
This way, many of the bloggers who lurk here will slow the spread of the deals.
Trick it should also be blocked IMO to those who haven't logged in.
This way, many of the bloggers who lurk here will slow the spread of the deals.
Trick it should also be blocked IMO to those who haven't logged in.
Feb 17, 2012, 7:00 pm
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Completely in favor. These give truly material benefit to a variety of people, not just to those willing to engage in discussion on specific programs (which would require a log in anyway). FT would see member numbers go up and we would see fewer quick deaths to deals. I would also favor locking out company reps from the Mileage Run forums.
And what about those companies like KVS which could post availability or fare details?
Feb 17, 2012, 7:02 pm
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Feb 17, 2012, 7:10 pm
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Yes, I support this.
I can't see a problem with logging in to my free account in order to view things that others post for free (even though they might have to do a little or a lot of digging to find them).
The crazy routings that BryanIAH comes up with are entertainment payoff enough!
If a few seconds of extra "effort" on my part can benefit the community, why not do it?
I can't see a problem with logging in to my free account in order to view things that others post for free (even though they might have to do a little or a lot of digging to find them).
The crazy routings that BryanIAH comes up with are entertainment payoff enough!
If a few seconds of extra "effort" on my part can benefit the community, why not do it?
Feb 17, 2012, 9:07 pm
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All we're asking are two extremely easy steps that all of us have already taken.
Register a handle with FT and log-in.
That's it. Thirty seconds of your time. No mumbo jumbo, smoke, mirrors or parlor tricks involved.
Search bots can't log-in and if the folks who are looking to glean what information that our fellow FT'ers share and can't be bothered to make themselves known, tough luck IMO.
I'm supporting this proposal to the max unless I see overwhelming arguments to the contrary.
Register a handle with FT and log-in.
That's it. Thirty seconds of your time. No mumbo jumbo, smoke, mirrors or parlor tricks involved.
Search bots can't log-in and if the folks who are looking to glean what information that our fellow FT'ers share and can't be bothered to make themselves known, tough luck IMO.
I'm supporting this proposal to the max unless I see overwhelming arguments to the contrary.
Feb 17, 2012, 9:09 pm
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The MR forum moderators wanted to add our support to this motion to make MR available only to those FT members who are signed in. We feel it isn't too high a barrier to restrict those really interested in benefiting from one of FT’s main draws while keeping searchbots out.
jpdx said it well in this thread from almost 2 years ago which was the last time forum access restrictions were debated and approved before later being overturned upon further TB review:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...onnection.html
We appreciate this opportunity to revisit the access debate and hope TB will consider voting in favor of this motion.
On behalf of BiziBB, rcs85551 and jpdx
tcook052
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jpdx said it well in this thread from almost 2 years ago which was the last time forum access restrictions were debated and approved before later being overturned upon further TB review:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...onnection.html
Originally Posted by jpdx
I would suggest that quality is the goal to strive for, even if it comes at the price of restricting access. The MR moderators welcome newbies with open arms, but we need the contributions of experienced posters. The forum becomes worthless if people stop sharing, and become argumentative and secretive.
On behalf of BiziBB, rcs85551 and jpdx
tcook052
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Feb 17, 2012, 9:48 pm
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I support this motion. I'd also highly support a higher level of access. Maybe 100 posts and 100 days before access like coupon connection (or whatever that level is now)
Feb 17, 2012, 10:10 pm
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I don't think it is possible to determine this with any degree of certainty. There are too many variables at play outwith the control of FlyerTalk. Discussion on other IBBs, the proliferation of blogging activity and greater sophistication by airlines in detecting/monitoring "rough" transactions.
I have no real objection to this proposal. As written it's moderate and doesn't deviate from FT's mission.
I have no real objection to this proposal. As written it's moderate and doesn't deviate from FT's mission.
Often the most popular deals/mistakes seem to hit one or more blogs pretty soon after they're on FT. Many (or nearly all?) of the popular bloggers are members of FT so this change wouldn't have any impact on that "outlet". I suspect there are a fair number of FTers who also belong to other IBBs (SD, etc), as well.
Feb 18, 2012, 4:21 am
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I support the motion.
I have also read the preceding 7 pages with interest
I have also read the preceding 7 pages with interest
Feb 18, 2012, 4:56 am
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Feb 18, 2012, 5:03 am
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My vote is against.
My feeling is that information should be free and unrestricted except when absolutely necessary. The arguments for restriction are, in my opinion, not strong enough, and that the consequences of keeping it public are exaggerated.
I often read FlyerTalk as a Guest since I consider it a good habit to not be logged into anything anywhere on the Internet except when necessary. Logging in is a nuisance and a risk since I often use computers that are not mine on a daily basis.
Secondly, there are methods to tell search engines such as Google to exclude content from their searches. Such methods should be explored.
Thank you.
My feeling is that information should be free and unrestricted except when absolutely necessary. The arguments for restriction are, in my opinion, not strong enough, and that the consequences of keeping it public are exaggerated.
I often read FlyerTalk as a Guest since I consider it a good habit to not be logged into anything anywhere on the Internet except when necessary. Logging in is a nuisance and a risk since I often use computers that are not mine on a daily basis.
Secondly, there are methods to tell search engines such as Google to exclude content from their searches. Such methods should be explored.
Thank you.
Feb 18, 2012, 5:05 am
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Frankly I think that log in should be required to access any part of this Board. If you cannot be bothered to join then why should you benefit?
I support the motion 100%.
I support the motion 100%.