Discussion: TalkBoard motion pass/fail results reported in real-time? & related.
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I do think that perhaps, in the future, the better option is for the CD to wait to create a new forum until the votes have been made public. However, should TalkBoard agree that once a motion receives enough votes that it will pass, or enough that it will fail, then perhaps the CD creating a forum as soon as a vote closes would not be taken as odd.
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As for Sharon's announcement, as I noted, the vote closed late on the east coast, not so late on the west coast where the CD tends to be.
I don't fault her for posting the results within 12 or so hours of the vote closing.
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However, should TalkBoard agree that once a motion receives enough votes that it will pass, or enough that it will fail, then perhaps the CD creating a forum as soon as a vote closes would not be taken as odd.
And expect to see yet another announcement on that matter very, very, very soon! ^
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I think that it is awesome, incredible, wonderful and delightful that our Community Director is so responsive and efficient. Those with access to the private TB forum have known the outcome of all three of these votes for a week. She was clearly set to respond when the last vote was finally cast.
No sea gull manager, her! ^^^^^^^
As for Sharon's announcement, as I noted, the vote closed late on the east coast, not so late on the west coast where the CD tends to be.
I don't fault her for posting the results within 12 or so hours of the vote closing.
No sea gull manager, her! ^^^^^^^
As for Sharon's announcement, as I noted, the vote closed late on the east coast, not so late on the west coast where the CD tends to be.
I don't fault her for posting the results within 12 or so hours of the vote closing.
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Actually, I'd rather see public discussion held, then closed and then have the vote take place as this would further eliminate the heated debate-and then if a motion passes or fails with the required number of votes before the voting period has ended, you could then post the results.
Public discussion opens
Public discussion held
Public discussion closes
Vote held
Vote results published
Yes, this might/could/would add time to the whole process but imho, it's a better way to go
Public discussion opens
Public discussion held
Public discussion closes
Vote held
Vote results published
Yes, this might/could/would add time to the whole process but imho, it's a better way to go
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Nice in theory to have real time results of votes.. but, in real life its better to have everyone vote confidentially until the vote closes and then post the results..
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Unless, of course, a member decides to announce publicly that he voted (or how he voted) you would have no idea of who favors and who opposes a motion before the voting has finished.
You would simply know that the motion has passed or has failed.
As all the TalkBoard members already know the moment that someone votes if he was in favor or against the motion, and they are the only ones who can vote on it, there is nothing in this motion which would influence the outcome of a vote.
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Why the need for confidential votes? It is published at the end of the vote anyway. I'd like to know what is going on in real time. It does influence my voting decision.
I'm curious as to who was the hold out on this last vote and why.
Was she/he out of town? Ill? Undecided and waiting for more inpt from the FT members? Playing a game with the FT members and purposely making them wait?
I'm curious as to who was the hold out on this last vote and why.
Was she/he out of town? Ill? Undecided and waiting for more inpt from the FT members? Playing a game with the FT members and purposely making them wait?
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As long as that requirement is met, I do not believe it is appropriate to hold any TalkBoard member in any less regard due to the specific time period in which they voted.
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Why the need for confidential votes? It is published at the end of the vote anyway. I'd like to know what is going on in real time. It does influence my voting decision.
I'm curious as to who was the hold out on this last vote and why.
Was she/he out of town? Ill? Undecided and waiting for more inpt from the FT members? Playing a game with the FT members and purposely making them wait?
I'm curious as to who was the hold out on this last vote and why.
Was she/he out of town? Ill? Undecided and waiting for more inpt from the FT members? Playing a game with the FT members and purposely making them wait?
You deserve the transparency you seek.
Unfortunately, I believe I am the only current TB member who supports public real time voting. Hence the compromise of announcing when a vote has enough votes to pass or fail. Not nearly far enough for me, personally. But a positive step in the right direction.
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I'm on the record in support of public, by TB member name, voting because I believe you deserve answers to your questions. And I could tell you the answers to at least some of your questions (although I can't get inside a TB member's mind to know their motivation), but that would be in violation of the TB's secrecy rules. Rules which unfortunately protect this sort of action/behavior from becoming known to the posters. That's frustrating.
You deserve the transparency you seek.
Unfortunately, I believe I am the only current TB member who supports public real time voting. Hence the compromise of announcing when a vote has enough votes to pass or fail. Not nearly far enough for me, personally. But a positive step in the right direction.
You deserve the transparency you seek.
Unfortunately, I believe I am the only current TB member who supports public real time voting. Hence the compromise of announcing when a vote has enough votes to pass or fail. Not nearly far enough for me, personally. But a positive step in the right direction.
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I'm on the record in support of public, by TB member name, voting because I believe you deserve answers to your questions. And I could tell you the answers to at least some of your questions (although I can't get inside a TB member's mind to know their motivation), but that would be in violation of the TB's secrecy rules. Rules which unfortunately protect this sort of action/behavior from becoming known to the posters. That's frustrating.
You deserve the transparency you seek.
Unfortunately, I believe I am the only current TB member who supports public real time voting. Hence the compromise of announcing when a vote has enough votes to pass or fail. Not nearly far enough for me, personally. But a positive step in the right direction.
You deserve the transparency you seek.
Unfortunately, I believe I am the only current TB member who supports public real time voting. Hence the compromise of announcing when a vote has enough votes to pass or fail. Not nearly far enough for me, personally. But a positive step in the right direction.
Personally, I think that voters have enough ammo as it is. It's easy to find out, using public tools how many posts TB members have made in the public TB Topics forum, for example, since a certain date has passed.
Here are the number of posts made in the last month by TalkBoard members in this forum:
162, 106, 103, 39, 34, 32, 23, 17, 0.
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