Please help the TalkBoard describe a Games forum
Jan 17, 2012, 12:18 pm
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I'm supportive of a games sub-forum. I'm up in the air on whether the sub-forum posts should count. On the one hand it would appease those who are angsting about folks getting a gazillion posts & supposedly diluting their own hard-earned posts. But at the time time posts counting in Omni was for consistency's sake across all FT forums, so except for games makes no sense to me in terms of consistency.
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Jan 17, 2012, 12:18 pm
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I like the idea of a games thread. Ever since the OMNI post count motion a bunch of old OMNI games have been resurrected from the bowels of Pages 100+. I can only guess that the reason is that some people wanted to make a point about OMNI games as it relates to post counting. Prior to the motion the only games regularly on the first page were the
I can think of 2 members, and actually, those 2 I blame for getting Omni posts to no longer count, that have well over 20k posts just in those threads. I think one of them may have 30k.
When I tell you they were posting every 30 seconds all day and all night, I'm not kidding. Those threads were constantly listed at the top of "new threads" and the Omni forum.
I'm sure Randy got sick of the complaints.
This is why I support either considering games against the TOS as post padding, or putting them somewhere they don't count.
Jan 17, 2012, 12:24 pm
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I noticed this as well.
I can think of 2 members, and actually, those 2 I blame for getting Omni posts to no longer count, that have well over 20k posts just in those threads. I think one of them may have 30k.
When I tell you they were posting every 30 seconds all day and all night, I'm not kidding. Those threads were constantly listed at the top of "new threads" and the Omni forum.
I'm sure Randy got sick of the complaints.
This is why I support either considering games against the TOS as post padding, or putting them somewhere they don't count.
I can think of 2 members, and actually, those 2 I blame for getting Omni posts to no longer count, that have well over 20k posts just in those threads. I think one of them may have 30k.
When I tell you they were posting every 30 seconds all day and all night, I'm not kidding. Those threads were constantly listed at the top of "new threads" and the Omni forum.
I'm sure Randy got sick of the complaints.
This is why I support either considering games against the TOS as post padding, or putting them somewhere they don't count.
Jan 17, 2012, 12:26 pm
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Jan 17, 2012, 12:28 pm
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But they would clutter up the "new posts" link that many people use.
I don't, and actually didn't even know it was there, until I heard people complaining that the counting threads were always on top. That's why some people asked Omni be removed from their access.
I don't, and actually didn't even know it was there, until I heard people complaining that the counting threads were always on top. That's why some people asked Omni be removed from their access.
Jan 17, 2012, 12:45 pm
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Jan 17, 2012, 12:58 pm
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Jan 17, 2012, 1:03 pm
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The TalkBoard recommends creation of a Games forum under the OMNI category intended for the following types of threads:
1. Contests
2. Counting games
3. Word association games
4. Threads for posting the time of day and similar useless information
5. Threads that have in the moderators' judgment become games.
The TalkBoard does not consider Lounge threads in non-OMNI forums to be Game threads. The TalkBoard recognizes that moderators of each forum shall decide whether a given thread is more valuable in that forum, in the Games forum, or in some other forum.
Vote 2:1. Contests
2. Counting games
3. Word association games
4. Threads for posting the time of day and similar useless information
5. Threads that have in the moderators' judgment become games.
The TalkBoard does not consider Lounge threads in non-OMNI forums to be Game threads. The TalkBoard recognizes that moderators of each forum shall decide whether a given thread is more valuable in that forum, in the Games forum, or in some other forum.
If the Community Director creates a Games forum, the TalkBoard recommends that posts made in the Games forum be excluded from a member's post count.
Jan 17, 2012, 1:07 pm
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So, there would be no threat of people using games to increase their post count in order to access OMNI or CC, so why wouldn't posts count in that forum?
If it is part of OMNI, then there is less of a reason to not count posts, as once they can access that forum, they have the required number of posts to access all of OMNI and CC.
Jan 17, 2012, 1:08 pm
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Vote 1:
The TalkBoard recommends creation of a Games forum under the OMNI category intended for the following types of threads:
1. Contests
2. Counting games
3. Word association games
4. Threads for posting the time of day and similar useless information
5. Threads that have in the moderators' judgment become games.
The TalkBoard does not consider Lounge threads in non-OMNI forums to be Game threads. The TalkBoard recognizes that moderators of each forum shall decide whether a given thread is more valuable in that forum, in the Games forum, or in some other forum.
Vote 2:1. Contests
2. Counting games
3. Word association games
4. Threads for posting the time of day and similar useless information
5. Threads that have in the moderators' judgment become games.
The TalkBoard does not consider Lounge threads in non-OMNI forums to be Game threads. The TalkBoard recognizes that moderators of each forum shall decide whether a given thread is more valuable in that forum, in the Games forum, or in some other forum.
If the Community Director creates a Games forum, the TalkBoard recommends that posts made in the Games forum be excluded from a member's post count.
Jan 17, 2012, 1:09 pm
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Counting OMNI posts is a benefit to posters who care about their count. IMO it's OK to count those posts because OMNI posts are often valued by readers.
However game thread posts have zero value to readers. Therefore the argument for counting those posts is completely one-sided and falls short.
Counting games posts will, I believe, cause a posting rush in game threads. This will unnecessarily degrade any remaining value to readers of the post count metric. We should prevent that.
As I said in the OP, I'd like to save the pros and cons discussion for the debate thread once the proposal goes live. For today I just want to get the wording right.
However game thread posts have zero value to readers. Therefore the argument for counting those posts is completely one-sided and falls short.
Counting games posts will, I believe, cause a posting rush in game threads. This will unnecessarily degrade any remaining value to readers of the post count metric. We should prevent that.
As I said in the OP, I'd like to save the pros and cons discussion for the debate thread once the proposal goes live. For today I just want to get the wording right.
Jan 17, 2012, 1:16 pm
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Again, I ask:
I'd wager that there are some game threads that those participating would argue build community as well. Take a look at the latest "Who Will Be The Next FlyerTalk Member to Post? An OMNI Game," thread. It's a game thread, so it would fall into the new games forum, but there is discussion of hotels and such. Likewise, IMO, it's helping to build community, with the discussions in addition to the game.
Jan 17, 2012, 1:59 pm
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Vote 1:
The TalkBoard recommends creation of a Games forum under the OMNI category intended for the following types of threads:
1. Contests
2. Counting games
3. Word association games
4. Threads for posting the time of day and similar useless information
5. Threads that have in the moderators' judgment become games.
The TalkBoard does not consider Lounge threads in non-OMNI forums to be Game threads. The TalkBoard recognizes that moderators of each forum shall decide whether a given thread is more valuable in that forum, in the Games forum, or in some other forum.
Vote 2:1. Contests
2. Counting games
3. Word association games
4. Threads for posting the time of day and similar useless information
5. Threads that have in the moderators' judgment become games.
The TalkBoard does not consider Lounge threads in non-OMNI forums to be Game threads. The TalkBoard recognizes that moderators of each forum shall decide whether a given thread is more valuable in that forum, in the Games forum, or in some other forum.
If the Community Director creates a Games forum, the TalkBoard recommends that posts made in the Games forum be excluded from a member's post count.
3. Word association games
Jan 17, 2012, 2:49 pm
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Vote 1:
The TalkBoard recommends creation of a Games forum under the OMNI category intended for the following types of threads:
1. Contests
2. Counting games
3. Word association games
4. Threads for posting the time of day and similar useless information
5. Threads that have in the moderators' judgment become games.
The TalkBoard does not consider Lounge threads in non-OMNI forums to be Game threads. The TalkBoard recognizes that moderators of each forum shall decide whether a given thread is more valuable in that forum, in the Games forum, or in some other forum.
Vote 2:1. Contests
2. Counting games
3. Word association games
4. Threads for posting the time of day and similar useless information
5. Threads that have in the moderators' judgment become games.
The TalkBoard does not consider Lounge threads in non-OMNI forums to be Game threads. The TalkBoard recognizes that moderators of each forum shall decide whether a given thread is more valuable in that forum, in the Games forum, or in some other forum.
If the Community Director creates a Games forum, the TalkBoard recommends that posts made in the Games forum be excluded from a member's post count.
Seems like defined a game is like defining pornography. You can't describe it but you recognize it when you see it.
Jan 17, 2012, 3:36 pm
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I'd wager that there are some game threads that those participating would argue build community as well. Take a look at the latest "Who Will Be The Next FlyerTalk Member to Post? An OMNI Game," thread. It's a game thread, so it would fall into the new games forum, but there is discussion of hotels and such. Likewise, IMO, it's helping to build community, with the discussions in addition to the game.
I'd urge reconsideration of the phrase "similar useless information" as unintentionally vague and possibly too divisive.
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That's a pretty good analogy. I'd like to see the passage about moderator discretion revised with plainer, unequivocal language. Perhaps this:
The TalkBoard recognizes that moderators have the final word on which threads belong in their forums. </mod hat>
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