RichMSN

Sometimes you have to compromise. I'd rather have OMNI and OMNI/PR posts count save game thread posts than none of them.

And incredulous is too strong a word regardless. IJAFIBB, after all.

DeaconFlyer

Ha. But this is FT, where not getting your first choice of meals is described as "a new low" and a "hellish experience."

nsx

Exactly. FTers love to dramatize. To outsiders we appear to be a pack of whiners. Objectively, we are. This is closely coupled with our obsession with wringing the last drop of value out of FF programs.

wharvey

I agree... that is why I prefer to just let members do the extra little search if they really want to know how many posts are OMNI related. You really have to do that now anyway.... since some OMNI posts have counted and others have not.

kipper

I'd wager that there are some game threads that those participating would argue build community as well. Take a look at the latest "Who Will Be The Next FlyerTalk Member to Post? An OMNI Game," thread. It's a game thread, so it would fall into the new games forum, but there is discussion of hotels and such. Likewise, IMO, it's helping to build community, with the discussions in addition to the game.
I agree with just counting everything.
^ This makes sense.
I'm very confused as to why they would do this. I could buy splitting OMNI games into its own forum as a compromise to counting all posts again. However, I don't get why they would then not count posts in that forum.

If the concern is that the game threads will clutter up OMNI, then fine, move them to their own forum. I would like to wait and see if there was a need to do this, but if it's a huge concern, then fine, split it before looking to see if there really is a need for it. However, why immediately go back to not counting posts in a forum?

Cholula

I don't honestly think that the folks....however many of them there are....who play the current Game threads actually care if their posts count in those threads. None have ever come forward in either this thread or to me, as an OMNI mod, via PM to make their case.

But it seems that the folks, with some prominent exceptions, who HAVE spoken up here and elsewhere seem to view the Game threads as useless and off-topic for FT.

I'm not a hardliner on this issue in either direction so splitting out a separate Games Forum and having those posts not count would seem to please the majority who have made their opinions known.

And you know what? If it turns out that we eventually agree that all OMNI posts should count regardless of the sub forum, we can vote again and the CD can simply flip a switch and the problem is fixed.

Nothing is carved in stone around here. Except a pledge to maximize our mile and points.

DeaconFlyer

The majority have made their opinions known that they do not want any OMNI posts to count. I hope you have voted accordingly on that measure.

RichMSN

So our vote should be cast based on the feelings of 70 or so people who have bothered to post on this thread? You'll understand why I don't find that argument particularly compelling.

DeaconFlyer

Your fellow TB member seems to think that way. Although I know everyone has their own opinions.

goalie

Looks good but two questions.....

Regarding item number 3

Are we limiting it to only those items or should something like "and similar post contents" be included or does item #4 cover that?

As to the two votes, I take it that these are two separate votes with the second being contingent on the first vote passing

Oops-actually 3 questions.....

Regarding point 4

While TB does not consider Lounge threads to be game threads, what if a Moderator thinks the opposite and moves the thread or will they not be moving lounge threads?

Cholula

I can't speak for other mods but the Lounge threads were originally developed to provide like-minded members...DL Flyers, Starwood devotees, etc....a thread to build community and to make comments that would otherwise be off-topic in most of the Forum's threads.

I don't think you'll be seeing many moderators move their Lounge threads to the OMNI Games subforum should one be developed. They've had the option to move those Lounge thread to OMNI for years and nobody has thus far. I think most mods enjoy or at least tolerate their Lounge threads and appreciate the fact that it helps keep the rest of the forum more or less on-topic.

It'sHip2B^2

I like the idea of a games thread. Ever since the OMNI post count motion a bunch of old OMNI games have been resurrected from the bowels of Pages 100+. I can only guess that the reason is that some people wanted to make a point about OMNI games as it relates to post counting. Prior to the motion the only games regularly on the first page were the count down thread (and the count up thread before we achieved the milestone), the next FT member to post thread, and sometimes the Misunderstand & reply and the 4 Word Story threads. Now OMNI/fluff is rather inundated with old games. I do think that after voting has closed some of those resurrected threads will die again within a few weeks.

Vote 1 encapsulates the idea very well. At this point I support it as stated.

I just don't see games threads as post padding. I would think that the biggest offenders would be those posting in the counting threads. The_Banking_Scot is by far the biggest participator of the counting threads. In the count up to 100000 thread he or she only had 6700 (based on my google search pointing me to a non-FT site) of those posts. That accounts for only about 2000 posts per year. Most people aren't anywhere close to that in posting numbers (the next highest poster had hundreds of posts). So I just don't see much padding happening. An extra few hundred posts per year is nothing to the tens of thousands of posts that some people have.

Vote 2 is probably necessary although I hope that the games threads will count.

nsx

Thanks for the comments. The following changes should improve clarity:

Vote 1:
Vote 2:

kipper

Will this OMNI-Games forum require 180 days/180 posts for access?

Again, why the push to add back the inconsistency in not counting certain posts, when there is a motion currently being voted on that does away with the inconsistency?

SkiAdcock

I'd probably strike 'the content of the previous post' & put something like 'and similar type posts' after time of day.

80% (a guess) of all FT forum posts are in response to the content of the previous post

I'm supportive of a games sub-forum. I'm up in the air on whether the sub-forum posts should count. On the one hand it would appease those who are angsting about folks getting a gazillion posts & supposedly diluting their own hard-earned posts. But at the time time posts counting in Omni was for consistency's sake across all FT forums, so except for games makes no sense to me in terms of consistency.

Cheers.