Motion Passed: Change Coupon Connection Access Requirements
May 16, 2011, 3:17 am
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Of the forums on FT that most of those FT members with 180 days/180 posts can see on the pull-down menus that have the list of FT forums, no less than four (or five) such forums on FT are in the category of being restricted in some form or another. For the complete list of such forums being restricted, the nature and extent of the restrictions for such restricted forums, that's a question best asked of others with formal, legitimate access to all such information.
Newsstand and TS&S, perhaps amongst other FT forums, when it comes to those FTers who are able to currently post on FT?
Newsstand and TS&S, perhaps amongst other FT forums, when it comes to those FTers who are able to currently post on FT?
I wouldn't confuse forum access masks (issued by the moderators or Community Director to specific individuals for violations of forum rules) with threshold-based access restrictions on non-core areas of FlyerTalk.
I know of at least one FTer who has an access mask on TalkBoard Topics--by his own request. Yet I would hardly call TalkBoard Topics a restricted forum.
May 16, 2011, 3:55 am
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I'm a bit confused. You're saying Newsstand and TS&S are restricted?
I wouldn't confuse forum access masks (issued by the moderators or Community Director to specific individuals for violations of forum rules) with threshold-based access restrictions on non-core areas of FlyerTalk.
I wouldn't confuse forum access masks (issued by the moderators or Community Director to specific individuals for violations of forum rules) with threshold-based access restrictions on non-core areas of FlyerTalk.
Restricted forums are restricted forums, even as the approach to applying restrictions may be -- as touched upon in my earlier post -- different. Different tools to use on different folks? Not sure how far removed such would be from the "consistent inconsistency" type of mantra that invites due criticism across various parts of FT (and which therefore often has people trying their luck, or being told to try their luck, at another contact point or at another time with a given contact channel because of that).
A more direct, less dual-track approach that provides consistency of access to all FTers seems to be no closer with this kind of change to CC (or any other restricted forums on FT) than without this change.
Nor would I call it such on such basis. Restraining one's self -- with or without such self-restraining individual opting to use tool(s) or get some tool(s) used to accomplish the same -- is certainly not something my posts in this thread had brought up.
Last edited by GUWonder; May 16, 2011 at 4:37 am
May 16, 2011, 7:34 am
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I'm confused. AFAIK there are only 2 forums that have entrance requirements: Omni & CC. TSS & Newstand have no restrictions, nor do any other forums that I'm aware of.
I don't include private TB, Ambassador & Mod forums because those are 'job-related', and are only accessible for time one is on TB or is an Ambassador or Mod.
But of regular, day-to-day forums on FT there are only 2 that have entrance requirements.
Cheers.
I don't include private TB, Ambassador & Mod forums because those are 'job-related', and are only accessible for time one is on TB or is an Ambassador or Mod.
But of regular, day-to-day forums on FT there are only 2 that have entrance requirements.
Cheers.
May 16, 2011, 7:58 am
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I think you're a politician since I don't understand your answer.
We all know that CC and Omni have requirements.
When I was on TB, I had access to the (private) TB forum; but that one isn't open to everyone.
Would you mind spelling it out in plain English for dense readers.
dh
We all know that CC and Omni have requirements.
When I was on TB, I had access to the (private) TB forum; but that one isn't open to everyone.
Would you mind spelling it out in plain English for dense readers.
dh
Of the forums on FT that most of those FT members with 180 days/180 posts can see on the pull-down menus that have the list of FT forums, no less than four (or five) such forums on FT are in the category of being restricted in some form or another. For the complete list of such forums being restricted, the nature and extent of the restrictions for such restricted forums, that's a question best asked of others with formal, legitimate access to all such information.
Newsstand and TS&S, perhaps amongst other FT forums, when it comes to those FTers who are able to currently post on FT?
Newsstand and TS&S, perhaps amongst other FT forums, when it comes to those FTers who are able to currently post on FT?
May 16, 2011, 9:00 am
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I'm confused. AFAIK there are only 2 forums that have entrance requirements: Omni & CC. TSS & Newstand have no restrictions, nor do any other forums that I'm aware of.
I don't include private TB, Ambassador & Mod forums because those are 'job-related', and are only accessible for time one is on TB or is an Ambassador or Mod.
But of regular, day-to-day forums on FT there are only 2 that have entrance requirements.
Cheers.
I don't include private TB, Ambassador & Mod forums because those are 'job-related', and are only accessible for time one is on TB or is an Ambassador or Mod.
But of regular, day-to-day forums on FT there are only 2 that have entrance requirements.
Cheers.
As I indicated earlier, my posts in this thread have nothing to do with the "private TB, Ambassador & Mod forums". My posts are focused upon restrictions being applied to current members participating in regular day-to-day forums on FT, with CC clearly not a unique exception.
The history of FT seems to be that when one or more forms of restriction is applied to to limit participation by current FT members, what follows are additional restrictions and/or additional forums becoming restricted. The result are that a growing number of current FTers are being cut of from participation in some such parts of FT, with the overwhelming majority of FTers now prevented from use of two parts of FT that were a given to all current FTers when I joined and even thereafter. More and more restrictions seem to get piled on to exclude more and more FTers. The overwhelming majority of FTers are now cut of from at least two parts of FT. What exist now seems to contrast with the far more welcoming environment that was in place on FT in 2001 and into 2002 when I started posting to FT. Current FTers were not subjected to regular "day-to-day" FT forums being restricted like this.
By the way, any luck in figuring out how far back it was when CC was open to the majority of FTers? It was certainly not off-limits to the majority of FTers in 2001.
I think you're a politician since I don't understand your answer.
We all know that CC and Omni have requirements.
When I was on TB, I had access to the (private) TB forum; but that one isn't open to everyone.
Would you mind spelling it out in plain English for dense readers.
dh
We all know that CC and Omni have requirements.
When I was on TB, I had access to the (private) TB forum; but that one isn't open to everyone.
Would you mind spelling it out in plain English for dense readers.
dh
An ability -- or lack of ability -- to understand what was posted certainly has nothing to do with your mentioned career choice.
Here's another stab at this.
Last edited by GUWonder; May 16, 2011 at 10:10 am
May 16, 2011, 9:50 am
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There are two public forums with post count and time on FT entry requirements: Omni and Coupon Connection. No other public forum has an entry requirement However, civility and abiding by FT guidelines is a requirement for continued use for all forums. Occasionally, one forum seems to represent a particular challenge for a member. Rather than take away all their privileges, the member is masked from that forum. It is a misrepresentation to say that any forum other than Omni/Omni PR and Coupon Connection have entry requirements - unless you consider polite behavior to be an entry requirement and then it can be said for all of FT.
May 16, 2011, 9:54 am
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May 16, 2011, 10:08 am
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So other than CC, OMNI(s), Newsstand and TS&S, any other "day-to-day" regular forums on FT which have been restricted to FT members via "forum access masks" or other restrictions?
It would seem if that works for these FT forums, the reasons it works ought to be the same as it would work for all other forums on FT.
It would seem if that works for these FT forums, the reasons it works ought to be the same as it would work for all other forums on FT.
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May 16, 2011, 10:17 am
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May 16, 2011, 11:47 am
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Yes, but that unfortunately doesn't answer the question which was not about moderator action but was rather about forums:
In the absence of having an answer to such question, it may be harder than it needs to be to make a proper assessment about the merits of one's own position on such matters as forum restrictions. For example, if made aware that some such restrictions were applied in the same manner for forums in the miles & point section of FT as with the forums referred to in the post of mine which I am quoting herewith, then there might be some interest in revising the position with regard to CC and otherwise. Perhaps even advocating for expanding the approach to other parts of FT too.
So other than CC, OMNI(s), Newsstand and TS&S, any other "day-to-day" regular forums on FT which have been restricted to FT members via "forum access masks" or other restrictions?
May 16, 2011, 11:51 am
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There are two public forums with post count and time on FT entry requirements: Omni and Coupon Connection. No other public forum has an entry requirement However, civility and abiding by FT guidelines is a requirement for continued use for all forums. Occasionally, one forum seems to represent a particular challenge for a member. Rather than take away all their privileges, the member is masked from that forum. It is a misrepresentation to say that any forum other than Omni/Omni PR and Coupon Connection have entry requirements - unless you consider polite behavior to be an entry requirement and then it can be said for all of FT.
Cheers.
May 16, 2011, 12:05 pm
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There are two public forums with post count and time on FT entry requirements: Omni and Coupon Connection. No other public forum has an entry requirement However, civility and abiding by FT guidelines is a requirement for continued use for all forums. Occasionally, one forum seems to represent a particular challenge for a member. Rather than take away all their privileges, the member is masked from that forum. It is a misrepresentation to say that any forum other than Omni/Omni PR and Coupon Connection have entry requirements - unless you consider polite behavior to be an entry requirement and then it can be said for all of FT.
I was about to lose my mind for not understanding what GUWonder's implying.
In the absence of having an answer to such question, it may be harder than it needs to be to make a proper assessment about the merits of one's own position on such matters as forum restrictions. For example, if made aware that some such restrictions were applied in the same manner for forums in the miles & point section of FT as with the forums referred to in the post of mine which I am quoting herewith, then there might be some interest in revising the position with regard to CC and otherwise. Perhaps even advocating for expanding the approach to other parts of FT too.
If you are aiming for an expanding approach to other parts of FT, maybe it's time to start a new TB thread? This thread is about the new 180/180 threshold for CC.
May 16, 2011, 12:18 pm
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It's hard to be aiming for expanding this approach on FT when one's not even certain if one's position on the approach to CC noted in this thread was as informed as it should be.
I'm certainly not certain of whether or not my stance with regard to CC being a restricted forum would remain the same if I were provided further information about how and why the forms of restrictions which would seem to work for CC -- at least as evidenced by the opinion voted upon favorably by the overwhelming majority of TB members -- wouldn't also work out for all of FT or other parts of FT.
Before advocating for something, it's best to know the foundations of one's own position.
May 17, 2011, 4:10 am
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There ought to be nothing confusing about what I posted. To understand, requires awareness of the following: entrance restrictions to some FT forums come in more than one form. In other words, the restrictions come in a form other than merely that of the X number of posts and/or Y days of membership requirements. See the above references to "forum access masks" as something that is considered to be one form of restricting a forum.
As I indicated earlier, my posts in this thread have nothing to do with the "private TB, Ambassador & Mod forums". My posts are focused upon restrictions being applied to current members participating in regular day-to-day forums on FT, with CC clearly not a unique exception.
The history of FT seems to be that when one or more forms of restriction is applied to to limit participation by current FT members, what follows are additional restrictions and/or additional forums becoming restricted. The result are that a growing number of current FTers are being cut of from participation in some such parts of FT, with the overwhelming majority of FTers now prevented from use of two parts of FT that were a given to all current FTers when I joined and even thereafter. More and more restrictions seem to get piled on to exclude more and more FTers. The overwhelming majority of FTers are now cut of from at least two parts of FT. What exist now seems to contrast with the far more welcoming environment that was in place on FT in 2001 and into 2002 when I started posting to FT. Current FTers were not subjected to regular "day-to-day" FT forums being restricted like this.
By the way, any luck in figuring out how far back it was when CC was open to the majority of FTers? It was certainly not off-limits to the majority of FTers in 2001.
I already spelled it out in plain English above.
An ability -- or lack of ability -- to understand what was posted certainly has nothing to do with your mentioned career choice.
Here's another stab at this.
As I indicated earlier, my posts in this thread have nothing to do with the "private TB, Ambassador & Mod forums". My posts are focused upon restrictions being applied to current members participating in regular day-to-day forums on FT, with CC clearly not a unique exception.
The history of FT seems to be that when one or more forms of restriction is applied to to limit participation by current FT members, what follows are additional restrictions and/or additional forums becoming restricted. The result are that a growing number of current FTers are being cut of from participation in some such parts of FT, with the overwhelming majority of FTers now prevented from use of two parts of FT that were a given to all current FTers when I joined and even thereafter. More and more restrictions seem to get piled on to exclude more and more FTers. The overwhelming majority of FTers are now cut of from at least two parts of FT. What exist now seems to contrast with the far more welcoming environment that was in place on FT in 2001 and into 2002 when I started posting to FT. Current FTers were not subjected to regular "day-to-day" FT forums being restricted like this.
By the way, any luck in figuring out how far back it was when CC was open to the majority of FTers? It was certainly not off-limits to the majority of FTers in 2001.
I already spelled it out in plain English above.
An ability -- or lack of ability -- to understand what was posted certainly has nothing to do with your mentioned career choice.
Here's another stab at this.
The entry requirements for the 2 (or 3 if you count OMNI and OMNI/PR as 2 separate forums) are based on both history in FT (180 days as a member, minimum) and posting history (180 posts, minimum).
No other public forums on FT have any entry requirements.
As for whether they're a good idea...the entry requirements, each has his/her own opinion.
As a member for more than 180 days with more than 180 posts, they don't apply to me. Honestly, it's really a non-issue for me anyways. I have yet to post in CC, and I think I viewed it just 1 or 2 times. I fly, but don't have any coupons/vouchers of any real value to others that I don't want myself anyways!
As for OMNI, (which I also have never posted in,) I understand why the post count was removed from this forums (posts don't count towards you post count) because that's not what FT's about. And in that sense, I think it makes sense. People shouldn't be joining FT to post in that forum. If you've been a member for a while (which has been decided to be 180 days,) and are generally active (which has been decided to be 180 posts,) then feel free to check out this other area of FT. Until then, get to know FT a bit better (meaning be a member for a bit longer,) and if you're a lurker, add some posts! Once you do, then check out OMNI. Until then, be more active in helping others in the essential forums of FT. I can tell you that I've benefited from people with just 1 post. No reason to say no one's interested in your posts.
May 17, 2011, 7:41 am
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Well said.
I don't think you did. As I understand it, there are a few private forums (Talkboard, Ambassadors, Moderators...). All other forums are public forums. Anyone can access any of the public forums, logged in or not, whether he/she joined today or 13 years ago; whether he/she has 0 posts or 100,000 posts. As long as said FTer behaves, he/she will retain the ability to view, post... in that forum. There are 2 exceptions. The "Coupon Connection" and the "OMNI/OMNI PR" forums have entry requirements. No other public forums have entry requirements.
The entry requirements for the 2 (or 3 if you count OMNI and OMNI/PR as 2 separate forums) are based on both history in FT (180 days as a member, minimum) and posting history (180 posts, minimum).
No other public forums on FT have any entry requirements.
As for whether they're a good idea...the entry requirements, each has his/her own opinion.
As a member for more than 180 days with more than 180 posts, they don't apply to me. Honestly, it's really a non-issue for me anyways. I have yet to post in CC, and I think I viewed it just 1 or 2 times. I fly, but don't have any coupons/vouchers of any real value to others that I don't want myself anyways!
As for OMNI, (which I also have never posted in,) I understand why the post count was removed from this forums (posts don't count towards you post count) because that's not what FT's about. And in that sense, I think it makes sense. People shouldn't be joining FT to post in that forum. If you've been a member for a while (which has been decided to be 180 days,) and are generally active (which has been decided to be 180 posts,) then feel free to check out this other area of FT. Until then, get to know FT a bit better (meaning be a member for a bit longer,) and if you're a lurker, add some posts! Once you do, then check out OMNI. Until then, be more active in helping others in the essential forums of FT. I can tell you that I've benefited from people with just 1 post. No reason to say no one's interested in your posts.
The entry requirements for the 2 (or 3 if you count OMNI and OMNI/PR as 2 separate forums) are based on both history in FT (180 days as a member, minimum) and posting history (180 posts, minimum).
No other public forums on FT have any entry requirements.
As for whether they're a good idea...the entry requirements, each has his/her own opinion.
As a member for more than 180 days with more than 180 posts, they don't apply to me. Honestly, it's really a non-issue for me anyways. I have yet to post in CC, and I think I viewed it just 1 or 2 times. I fly, but don't have any coupons/vouchers of any real value to others that I don't want myself anyways!
As for OMNI, (which I also have never posted in,) I understand why the post count was removed from this forums (posts don't count towards you post count) because that's not what FT's about. And in that sense, I think it makes sense. People shouldn't be joining FT to post in that forum. If you've been a member for a while (which has been decided to be 180 days,) and are generally active (which has been decided to be 180 posts,) then feel free to check out this other area of FT. Until then, get to know FT a bit better (meaning be a member for a bit longer,) and if you're a lurker, add some posts! Once you do, then check out OMNI. Until then, be more active in helping others in the essential forums of FT. I can tell you that I've benefited from people with just 1 post. No reason to say no one's interested in your posts.
Dan