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What type of split?
As a compromise, I believe someone currently on TalkBoard suggested reorganizing OMNI by adding at least one additional sub-forum, and counting posts in some of the subforums, but not all. I can't find the post, but I believe the suggestion was something like, "OMNI-fluff-posts count, OMNI Games (new subforum)--posts don't count, OMNI P/R--posts count (or not).
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Can you please explain what you mean? Although it's been discussed numerous times, I'm still not quite sure what the rule was and what it is (regarding abstentions). Proposals used to need 6 "yes" votes, or now they need 6 "yes" votes?
Under the old rules 5 yes + 2 no + 2 abstain = 5/9 = fail. Abstains are effectively the same as no.
Under the new rules 5 yes + 2 no + 2 abstain = 5/7 = pass.
The 5+2+2 situation is, practically speaking, the only situation in which there is a different result. However the new rule means that Abstain is no longer usable as a "soft No". I believe that the result will be fewer abstentions, and more Yes's and No's. This improves accountability of the TalkBoard members.
In addition, the new rules allow a TB member to select Abstain without affecting the outcome of the vote either way. It's now a pure abstention, which pleases my sense of linguistic accuracy.
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Under the old rules 5 yes + 2 no + 2 abstain = 5/9 = fail. Abstains are effectively the same as no.
Under the new rules 5 yes + 2 no + 2 abstain = 5/7 = pass.
The 5+2+2 situation is, practically speaking, the only situation in which there is a different result. However the new rule means that Abstain is no longer usable as a "soft No". I believe that the result will be fewer abstentions, and more Yes's and No's. This improves accountability of the TalkBoard members.
In addition, the new rules allow a TB member to select Abstain without affecting the outcome of the vote either way. It's now a pure abstention, which pleases my sense of linguistic accuracy.
Under the new rules, why can't a proposal pass 4 yes + 2 no +3 abstain? Must a majority of TB actually vote on the issue?
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Under the new rules, why can't a proposal pass 4 yes + 2 no +3 abstain? Must a majority of TB actually vote on the issue?
Yes. This was set up to ensure that any changes to FlyerTalk actually represented the views of at least a majority of members. Any change that doesn't engender the support of at least a majority of current TalkBoard members may not represent the best way forward for the community.
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Under the new rules, why can't a proposal pass 4 yes + 2 no +3 abstain? Must a majority of TB actually vote on the issue?
"Yes" votes from >=50% of the sitting TalkBoard are now required in order to win approval. That was another change specifically to ensure that proposals have solid support before they can be approved. Or you could be cynical and say that I bought a vote or two from the super-majority advocates by adding that provision. Just kidding: I added that part to close what I considered to be a loophole in the procedures.
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"Yes" votes from >=50% of the sitting TalkBoard are now required in order to win approval. That was another change specifically to ensure that proposals have solid support before they can be approved. Or you could be cynical and say that I bought a vote or two from the super-majority advocates by adding that provision. Just kidding: I added that part to close what I considered to be a loophole in the procedures.
Why can't a simple majority (5 yes) win now?
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Since we were just talking about the lounge threads, I wouldn't mind putting those in that category of not earning a post. Some of you have made the point that someone can get a post for just saying good morning. On the other hand, if I were to post some substantive thing in OMNI about the GOP candidates running for president I wouldn't get a post. So since neither are about flying, dining, points, rental cars etc. in my opinion, they should not receive a post.
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Since we were just talking about the lounge threads, I wouldn't mind putting those in that category of not earning a post. Some of you have made the point that someone can get a post for just saying good morning. On the other hand, if I were to post some substantive thing in OMNI about the GOP candidates running for president I wouldn't get a post. So since neither are about flying, dining, points, rental cars etc. in my opinion, they should not receive a post.
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But is there a way to categorize Lounge threads from other threads in the same forum?
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Are you talking about categorizing for post counting? If so, I do not know if there is a way.
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There is not a way to do this.
The only way would be to sequester lounge threads in their own separate forum, which, of course, would run counter to the entire premise that the lounge threads are based on (providing a place for community-building and discussion for those who have [or want to have] relationships with other members of that forum).
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Are you talking about categorizing for post counting? If so, I do not know if there is a way.
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There is not a way to do this.
The only way would be to sequester lounge threads in their own separate forum, which, of course, would run counter to the entire premise that the lounge threads are based on (providing a place for community-building and discussion for those who have [or want to have] relationships with other members of that forum).
I agree that this is not the way to go about this. I was just trying to answer dinoscool3
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Why can't a simple majority (5 yes) win now?
Email that question to Carol if you want to know where we stand. I would oppose that. If you can't get 6 votes, you are doing something wrong. Furthermore, a majority rule would promote instability, with decisions potentially reversed every year as the TalkBoard membership changes.
Yes we sometimes have issues that hang for years, but once we put them to bed they generally stay settled for a long time. That's a much better way to run things, IMHO.
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