LX stopover ZRH fare makes no sense
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LX stopover ZRH fare makes no sense
I am looking at a trip to PRG with a stopover in ZRH on the return.
1. SFO-ZRH return is $1270.
2. SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH-SFO is $1176 ($94 dollars less to add the Prague segments!)
3. SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH / ZRH-SFO is $1835
4. SFO-ZRH-PRG / ZRH-SFO is $1192 and a OW PRG-ZRH is $275 = $1467.
So 3 & 4 are the exact same flights but are $368 different in price? That makes no sense (I get that fares do not have to make sense but this one seems like it should for the exact same flights)
They don't seem to want me to stop in Zurich and spend some money in their country?
1. SFO-ZRH return is $1270.
2. SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH-SFO is $1176 ($94 dollars less to add the Prague segments!)
3. SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH / ZRH-SFO is $1835
4. SFO-ZRH-PRG / ZRH-SFO is $1192 and a OW PRG-ZRH is $275 = $1467.
So 3 & 4 are the exact same flights but are $368 different in price? That makes no sense (I get that fares do not have to make sense but this one seems like it should for the exact same flights)
They don't seem to want me to stop in Zurich and spend some money in their country?
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On the example 3 and 4 your itinerary probably breaks the fare rules (lenght of stopover etc.).
For the n.2, adding a segment more often than not reduces the price.
Look at it differently: a convenient direct flight turns to be a 1 stop flight to a non hub destination, hence the fare must be more attractive.
Of course there are commercial and more technical reasons behind that, and in all fairness I'm sure even airlines get mad with their pricing model, but playing with it on ITA Matrix may return you some interesting results to minimize costs.
Try also some other eastern/central Europe LX/LH final destination, providing you will not skip any segment.
O/W is insanely expensive; in this case pick among a low cost, train or even a return flight throwing the 2nd segment in the bin.
For the n.2, adding a segment more often than not reduces the price.
Look at it differently: a convenient direct flight turns to be a 1 stop flight to a non hub destination, hence the fare must be more attractive.
Of course there are commercial and more technical reasons behind that, and in all fairness I'm sure even airlines get mad with their pricing model, but playing with it on ITA Matrix may return you some interesting results to minimize costs.
Try also some other eastern/central Europe LX/LH final destination, providing you will not skip any segment.
O/W is insanely expensive; in this case pick among a low cost, train or even a return flight throwing the 2nd segment in the bin.
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SFO to Prague is obviously a market different from SFO to ZRH. And obviously they can charge more for a direct flight to ZRH than they can charge for an direct flight to PRG where they have to compete with other carriers. You do not pay for segments but for a destination. And LX is an airline and not the tourist authority of Switzerland: they could not care less whether you spend money in ZRH downtown. The only issue they might be interested in is you spending money at the airport.
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I am looking at a trip to PRG with a stopover in ZRH on the return.
1. SFO-ZRH return is $1270.
2. SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH-SFO is $1176 ($94 dollars less to add the Prague segments!)
3. SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH / ZRH-SFO is $1835
4. SFO-ZRH-PRG / ZRH-SFO is $1192 and a OW PRG-ZRH is $275 = $1467.
1. SFO-ZRH return is $1270.
2. SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH-SFO is $1176 ($94 dollars less to add the Prague segments!)
3. SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH / ZRH-SFO is $1835
4. SFO-ZRH-PRG / ZRH-SFO is $1192 and a OW PRG-ZRH is $275 = $1467.
If you can't find a significantly cheaper one-way, check out the round-trip fares, but throw away the return (unless you really want to go the option 2 route, and fly the extra sectors).
Unless you are wedded to air travel, check the rail connections - I think there is a night service between Prague and Zurich, so (depending on your sleeping arrangement) you could save a night's hotel cost. And there's certainly a bus
Once you've bought a ticket SWISS couldn't give a fig where you spend your money.
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I am just starting to use Swiss since DL's SkyPeso program is moving to dollars spent whereas Star Alliance still does miles flown (at least on non-USA carriers).
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I understand yield management, but what does not make sense is that:
SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH / ZRH-SFO is $1835
SFO-ZRH-PRG / ZRH-SFO is $1192 and a OW PRG-ZRH is $275 = $1467.
These are the same flights, no hidden cities or lost segments, with two very different prices. I completely understand that PRG-ZRH-SFO might be cheaper than ZRH-SFO, but the above example are the same flights, same fare basis, different prices, even when bought at the same time.
SFO-ZRH-PRG / PRG-ZRH / ZRH-SFO is $1835
SFO-ZRH-PRG / ZRH-SFO is $1192 and a OW PRG-ZRH is $275 = $1467.
These are the same flights, no hidden cities or lost segments, with two very different prices. I completely understand that PRG-ZRH-SFO might be cheaper than ZRH-SFO, but the above example are the same flights, same fare basis, different prices, even when bought at the same time.