[Leaving Jan 2023] The Danieli, Luxury Collection, Venice, Italy [Master Thread]
Feb 21, 2008, 8:36 am
#31
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Danieli (VCE) advice?
Hello all,
Would welcome any comments on recent experiences at the Danieli, and thoughts on my plans for an upcoming stay (this coming July).
Our plan is to cash in some SPG points - we have a standard room reserved at a rate of 8,000 points +$150 per night. This sounds almost too good to be true - is it as good a deal as it seems?
In addition, the hotel is willing to give us a confirmed upgrade to a lagoon view room at a surcharge of 150 Euros per night ... again, this seems like good value to me, but I've never stayed at the property.
Any thoughts?
J.
Would welcome any comments on recent experiences at the Danieli, and thoughts on my plans for an upcoming stay (this coming July).
Our plan is to cash in some SPG points - we have a standard room reserved at a rate of 8,000 points +$150 per night. This sounds almost too good to be true - is it as good a deal as it seems?
In addition, the hotel is willing to give us a confirmed upgrade to a lagoon view room at a surcharge of 150 Euros per night ... again, this seems like good value to me, but I've never stayed at the property.
Any thoughts?
J.
Feb 21, 2008, 8:55 am
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Not sure the Danieli qualifies as luxury, to be honest, although the lobby has to be seen. (And seen it is, by throngs of tourists all day.) Never stayed at the Danieli but the standard room I had at the Gritti Palace a few years ago was one of the worst I have ever had anywhere.
That said, they are offering you an excellent rate. And the hotel is a genuine experience, something the like of which you are unlikely ever to stay in again. You will pay 5 x the price to get somewhere better, and nowhere is better located. For a night or so you will be fine, although I wouldn't take the risk of a bad room if it was a special occasion.
That said, they are offering you an excellent rate. And the hotel is a genuine experience, something the like of which you are unlikely ever to stay in again. You will pay 5 x the price to get somewhere better, and nowhere is better located. For a night or so you will be fine, although I wouldn't take the risk of a bad room if it was a special occasion.
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Feb 21, 2008, 9:02 am
#33
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Not sure the Danieli qualifies as luxury, to be honest, although the lobby has to be seen. (And seen it is, by throngs of tourists all day.) Never stayed at the Danieli but the standard room I had at the Gritti Palace a few years ago was one of the worst I have ever had anywhere.
Here's a little snippit from tripadvisor, though:
We spent a few miserable nights at the Danieli while stopping through Venice. The hotel was horrible! The complaints could go on forever, needless to say this was by far the dirtiest hotel I have ever stayed at! The staff was rude and unaccommodating, especially at Terrace restaurant which was extremely over priced to begin with. We were stuck in a smoking room when we requested a nonsmoking room. The receptionist claimed that it was a nonsmoking room, but there were two ashtrays in it, it stunk of smoke, and had two burns on the carpet along with numerous other stains. The room stunk, and the plumbing was horrible, our tub would back up, YUCK! The hotel is very poorly managed and disorderly. I can't believe this is a Starwood luxury hotel? The only nice thing I can say about it is the location is good, and the lobby is beautiful. I would not recommend this hotel to anyone, and hope that it is taken off the list of Starwood hotels! We were in room 115, steer clear of it if possible!
Here's a little snippit from tripadvisor, though:
We spent a few miserable nights at the Danieli while stopping through Venice. The hotel was horrible! The complaints could go on forever, needless to say this was by far the dirtiest hotel I have ever stayed at! The staff was rude and unaccommodating, especially at Terrace restaurant which was extremely over priced to begin with. We were stuck in a smoking room when we requested a nonsmoking room. The receptionist claimed that it was a nonsmoking room, but there were two ashtrays in it, it stunk of smoke, and had two burns on the carpet along with numerous other stains. The room stunk, and the plumbing was horrible, our tub would back up, YUCK! The hotel is very poorly managed and disorderly. I can't believe this is a Starwood luxury hotel? The only nice thing I can say about it is the location is good, and the lobby is beautiful. I would not recommend this hotel to anyone, and hope that it is taken off the list of Starwood hotels! We were in room 115, steer clear of it if possible!
Thanks,
J.
Last edited by jkirk; Feb 25, 2008 at 12:32 pm Reason: typo
Feb 21, 2008, 9:05 am
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I actually modified my post above after you quoted it, having given some consideration to the small number of SPG points they wanted and how much it would cost you to stay somewhere else!
Feb 21, 2008, 10:44 am
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if youre considering nonstarwood hotels, its better to post here.
MACH81, its actually a fine deal, and plenty of people in this forum have been to the property as well.
so 8K points + $370 (€250) per night for lagoon room at danieli. upgrade offer is good to know about, its not standard procedure.
you would have to book that before march 4, or cash and points is no longer an option. (because danieli is becoming cat 7)
europa and regina is becoming cat 6
most recent venice thread >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=721099
i compared a few rates/awards >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....0&postcount=19
MACH81, its actually a fine deal, and plenty of people in this forum have been to the property as well.
so 8K points + $370 (€250) per night for lagoon room at danieli. upgrade offer is good to know about, its not standard procedure.
you would have to book that before march 4, or cash and points is no longer an option. (because danieli is becoming cat 7)
europa and regina is becoming cat 6
most recent venice thread >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=721099
i compared a few rates/awards >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....0&postcount=19
Last edited by Kagehitokiri; Feb 21, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Feb 21, 2008, 3:46 pm
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if youre considering nonstarwood hotels, its better to post here.
MACH81, its actually a fine deal, and plenty of people in this forum have been to the property as well.
so 8K points + $370 (€250) per night for lagoon room at danieli. upgrade offer is good to know about, its not standard procedure.
you would have to book that before march 4, or cash and points is no longer an option. (because danieli is becoming cat 7)
europa and regina is becoming cat 6
most recent venice thread >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=721099
i compared a few rates/awards >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....0&postcount=19
MACH81, its actually a fine deal, and plenty of people in this forum have been to the property as well.
so 8K points + $370 (€250) per night for lagoon room at danieli. upgrade offer is good to know about, its not standard procedure.
you would have to book that before march 4, or cash and points is no longer an option. (because danieli is becoming cat 7)
europa and regina is becoming cat 6
most recent venice thread >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=721099
i compared a few rates/awards >
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....0&postcount=19
Feb 25, 2008, 9:05 am
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Granted there's lots of negative buzz on tripadvisor but I tend to take that with a mountain of salt. In my experience most of the tripadvisor folks seem unaccustomed with luxury hotel prices and tend to book into the cheapest room they can get. What I've seen on flyertalk is folks who tend to say that if you book into the right room category and go in with the right expectations it can be a nice stay. That's why I'm trying to get a sense here of whether what I've booked is actually decent value for the quality of the property. If people think this is better suited to the Starwood threat, no offence taken if mods want to move this there ...
Thanks,
J.
Thanks,
J.
Feb 25, 2008, 11:57 am
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In this instance, the TripAdvisor folks are right. Starwood's Danieli and Gritti are not in the luxury league. They are resting on the old Ciga laurels of yesteryear. The place to stay now is Il Palazzo at the Bauer, which is more like the Gritti used to be way back when.
On my dates, I'm seeing a standard room at Il Palazzo for 484 Euros, roughly double what I'm paying for a grand deluxe lagoon view at the Danieli. The cheapest view room I'm seeing is in excess of 700 Euros.
Last edited by jkirk; Feb 25, 2008 at 12:32 pm Reason: typo
Feb 25, 2008, 12:02 pm
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In this instance, the TripAdvisor folks are right. Starwood's Danieli and Gritti are not in the luxury league. They are resting on the old Ciga laurels of yesteryear. The place to stay now is Il Palazzo at the Bauer, which is more like the Gritti used to be way back when.
Service was better, with a much warmer front desk/concierge at Il Palazzo. (Unless we were being treated better at Il Palazzo given the longer booking via FHR in a higher category room.) Rooms, however, were comparable. The room at Il Palazzo was a bit more opulent, while the room at the Danieli was a bit fresher.
Feb 25, 2008, 12:03 pm
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Right - my question wasn't however, whether the Danieli is currently the most luxe property in town ... clearly it's not. Mine was more a question of whether the rate/upgrade combination represents good *value*.
On my dates, I'm seeing a standard room at Il Palazzo for 484 Euros, roughly double what I'm paying for a grand deluxe lagoon view at the Danieli. The cheapest view room I'm seeing is in excess of 700 Euros.
On my dates, I'm seeing a standard room at Il Palazzo for 484 Euros, roughly double what I'm paying for a grand deluxe lagoon view at the Danieli. The cheapest view room I'm seeing is in excess of 700 Euros.
Feb 26, 2008, 7:12 am
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Right - my question wasn't, however, whether the Danieli is currently the most luxe property in town ... clearly it's not. Mine was more a question of whether the rate/upgrade combination represents good *value*.
On my dates, I'm seeing a standard room at Il Palazzo for 484 Euros, roughly double what I'm paying for a grand deluxe lagoon view at the Danieli. The cheapest view room I'm seeing is in excess of 700 Euros.
On my dates, I'm seeing a standard room at Il Palazzo for 484 Euros, roughly double what I'm paying for a grand deluxe lagoon view at the Danieli. The cheapest view room I'm seeing is in excess of 700 Euros.
Feb 26, 2008, 7:16 am
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Venice has no truly great hotels, so you are simply paying for degrees of decency!
There are a number of upscale properties, and any of them can probably offer you 2-3 of the following: good location, good room, good view, good service, historic property ....
Danieli scores on location and historic property, with a bonus point for view if you're facing the right way.
There are a number of upscale properties, and any of them can probably offer you 2-3 of the following: good location, good room, good view, good service, historic property ....
Danieli scores on location and historic property, with a bonus point for view if you're facing the right way.
Feb 26, 2008, 7:53 am
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Venice has no truly great hotels, so you are simply paying for degrees of decency!
There are a number of upscale properties, and any of them can probably offer you 2-3 of the following: good location, good room, good view, good service, historic property ....
Danieli scores on location and historic property, with a bonus point for view if you're facing the right way.
There are a number of upscale properties, and any of them can probably offer you 2-3 of the following: good location, good room, good view, good service, historic property ....
Danieli scores on location and historic property, with a bonus point for view if you're facing the right way.
Apparently, Four Seasons looked at San Clemente Palace before it opened, but the owners wanted an Italian operator. Shame, as it would have made a superb Four Seasons! I live in hope....
Feb 26, 2008, 8:32 am
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It would certainly make it easier to plan these trips if every hotel fell neatly into either the category of "good" or "bad" ... probably would make for dull vacations as well. I'm a big believer in shades of grey and my experience has been that actual value is rarely found at the best property in town ...
May 19, 2008, 5:37 pm
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Luxury Coll. referred to their hotel notes the first time, but I just called again and when they seemed confused I asked them to contact the hotel. Great news! The hotel reports that the terrace restaurant just reopened 1 day ago! Thanks, Starwood Lurker