Walked as Plat 100 by Westin St. Francis on $ 781 room rate
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Walked as Plat 100 by Westin St. Francis on $ 781 room rate
We are in San Francisco for meetings around the JP Morgan Healthcare Investment Conference. I booked 4 nights in the Westin St. Francis about 1 1/2 months ago on a $ 781 (incl. tax) room rate. Since we were coming from Asia, we traveled about 20 hours to get to San Francisco.
Once we landed, I checked my mail and saw another mail from the Westin St. Francis: "Rest easy. Your reservation has been confirmed":
I had pre-booked a limo to the hotel.
This, by the way, is my 501st night in a Starwood hotel, I will be Lifetime Platinum this year.
Upon arrival at the hotel, we unloaded our several suitcases and bags (as we are traveling for a total of one month) and proceeded to the check-in desk at about 10 p.m.
"We are sorry, we oversold and we have to place you in the Palace hotel for one night" (we have a 4 night reservation)
No starpoints were offered. Taxi vouchers were given and a letter to be presented at the Palace hotel (which didn't mention any starpoints either).
I just asked: "Is that your standard practice, to walk platinum members?"
Response: "Oh, we have about 5 more of those coming tonight, everyone that's still coming (and won't have a room) is a platinum member"
Apparently they did these things on a first come, first serve basis, regardless of status.
When I said that I was quite disappointed with that treatment after a 20-hour journey and that I thought we would have to at least be offered some starpoints as compensation, the lady unwillingly said (after fiddling around on a calculator for a few seconds) "yeah I will give you those 2,300 starpoints" . (obviously, it should be a lot more)
We then had to wait for quite a while because they called a white cab, instead of a yellow cab, which the vouchers were for. In the meantime, the bellman kept drumming on my suitcase?!!?!
At the Palace hotel (which I had wanted to book anyway for all 4 nights, but which had been sold out) - no knowledge of my status, bed preference or anything. "All the Westin told us was your name."
I am quite appalled by the treatment by the Westin and Starwood as a whole.
- walked a Platinum (100) member
- didn't offer the proper compensation, reacted unwillingly when asked about it
- didn't communicate bed preference or status to the alternative hotel (obviously no upgrade at the Palace, just got the lowest room category, I think, not really their fault at all, not that I care much)
- obviously, my ambassador had done nothing to communicate with the hotel beforehand either, but I don't really expect anything out of the ambassador program anymore anyway
- but what bothers me most is - why do they send ANOTHER confirmation e-mail if they already know they are walking you? Why make us go through the hassle of going to the wrong hotel, unloading our bags, going to the reception for check-in after a 20-hour journey (obviously, they don't know about this) if they already know they are walking me? Why not send a message (they have all my contact details) saying "there is an issue, please contact us"? - at least, I could have saved another 45 minutes or so and the hassle of unloading the bags, loading them again, waiting for a taxi, and could have gone straight to the right hotel.
All this on the 501st night (just after qualification for lifetime platinum in terms of nights) at Starwood.
Sorry, just had to vent...I assume many will not be very sympathetic .
P.S.: Apparently, our room at the Palace (in the 280s) is above some power generators (?) or something which is incredibly noisy...like a 10 times louder old fridge. Kind of a drilling noise or road work noise??? Makes it impossible to sleep.
Once we landed, I checked my mail and saw another mail from the Westin St. Francis: "Rest easy. Your reservation has been confirmed":
Greetings Mr Football Fan,
Your reservation is all set – we’re excited to welcome you to The Westin St. Francis San Francisco on Union Square.
At Westin, we’re committed to your well-being. If there’s anything you need as we prepare for your arrival, don’t hesitate to ask.
Stay Well,
Jon Kimball
GENERAL MANAGER
Your reservation is all set – we’re excited to welcome you to The Westin St. Francis San Francisco on Union Square.
At Westin, we’re committed to your well-being. If there’s anything you need as we prepare for your arrival, don’t hesitate to ask.
Stay Well,
Jon Kimball
GENERAL MANAGER
This, by the way, is my 501st night in a Starwood hotel, I will be Lifetime Platinum this year.
Upon arrival at the hotel, we unloaded our several suitcases and bags (as we are traveling for a total of one month) and proceeded to the check-in desk at about 10 p.m.
"We are sorry, we oversold and we have to place you in the Palace hotel for one night" (we have a 4 night reservation)
No starpoints were offered. Taxi vouchers were given and a letter to be presented at the Palace hotel (which didn't mention any starpoints either).
I just asked: "Is that your standard practice, to walk platinum members?"
Response: "Oh, we have about 5 more of those coming tonight, everyone that's still coming (and won't have a room) is a platinum member"
Apparently they did these things on a first come, first serve basis, regardless of status.
When I said that I was quite disappointed with that treatment after a 20-hour journey and that I thought we would have to at least be offered some starpoints as compensation, the lady unwillingly said (after fiddling around on a calculator for a few seconds) "yeah I will give you those 2,300 starpoints" . (obviously, it should be a lot more)
We then had to wait for quite a while because they called a white cab, instead of a yellow cab, which the vouchers were for. In the meantime, the bellman kept drumming on my suitcase?!!?!
At the Palace hotel (which I had wanted to book anyway for all 4 nights, but which had been sold out) - no knowledge of my status, bed preference or anything. "All the Westin told us was your name."
I am quite appalled by the treatment by the Westin and Starwood as a whole.
- walked a Platinum (100) member
- didn't offer the proper compensation, reacted unwillingly when asked about it
- didn't communicate bed preference or status to the alternative hotel (obviously no upgrade at the Palace, just got the lowest room category, I think, not really their fault at all, not that I care much)
- obviously, my ambassador had done nothing to communicate with the hotel beforehand either, but I don't really expect anything out of the ambassador program anymore anyway
- but what bothers me most is - why do they send ANOTHER confirmation e-mail if they already know they are walking you? Why make us go through the hassle of going to the wrong hotel, unloading our bags, going to the reception for check-in after a 20-hour journey (obviously, they don't know about this) if they already know they are walking me? Why not send a message (they have all my contact details) saying "there is an issue, please contact us"? - at least, I could have saved another 45 minutes or so and the hassle of unloading the bags, loading them again, waiting for a taxi, and could have gone straight to the right hotel.
All this on the 501st night (just after qualification for lifetime platinum in terms of nights) at Starwood.
Sorry, just had to vent...I assume many will not be very sympathetic .
P.S.: Apparently, our room at the Palace (in the 280s) is above some power generators (?) or something which is incredibly noisy...like a 10 times louder old fridge. Kind of a drilling noise or road work noise??? Makes it impossible to sleep.
Last edited by Football Fan; Jan 13, 2015 at 7:20 am
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When arriving late, say after 7PM I always email the hotel in advance, then call again on day of arrival. When arriving around or after midnight, this is critical.
It sounds like they changed your reservation in some form which prompted an automatic email.
Did you tell the Palace that you're Plat when you learnt they didn't know?
It sounds like they changed your reservation in some form which prompted an automatic email.
Did you tell the Palace that you're Plat when you learnt they didn't know?
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Did you book the limo through the hotel?
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Sorry to hear about being walked, that thoroughly sucks!
Are you aware that the Palace is undergoing renovations right now? It might really be drilling!
Are you aware that the Palace is undergoing renovations right now? It might really be drilling!
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No - in hindsight, I should have (booked it through pleasantlimo) - but I guess one never really expects to be walked, much less as a Plat who has an ambassador (although the only other hotel that has ever walked me was also a Starwood hotel, last year (Le Meridien Munich)).
Yes, seems like it.
Yes, when the check-in person asked about whether I have an SPG number.
Thanks.
I would hope they don't do that in the middle of the night. But after a call to the front desk, it got better?!
Thanks.
I would hope they don't do that in the middle of the night. But after a call to the front desk, it got better?!
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When arriving late, say after 7PM I always email the hotel in advance, then call again on day of arrival. When arriving around or after midnight, this is critical.
It sounds like they changed your reservation in some form which prompted an automatic email.
Did you tell the Palace that you're Plat when you learnt they didn't know?
It sounds like they changed your reservation in some form which prompted an automatic email.
Did you tell the Palace that you're Plat when you learnt they didn't know?
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It was actually a prepaid stay (not even just a reservation), so they have had my money for 1 1/2 months already. And still walked me.
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That maybe your view, but any seasoned traveller does this to prevent being walked. Not all hotels have strong systems, and we often are arriving off flights after midnight, or even as late as 6AM the next morning.
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No, it is not a responsibility to make contact, but the fact of life is things happen. Just like having car insurance is a good bet you won't need it, calling ahead just might prevent surprises upon arrival. The property could have handled this much better and I hope the OP contacts SPG to get the property up to speed on the rules for walks. This will be very costly for the Westin.
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Back to (US) reality, I guess .
I did send the GM a message via Linkedin, and also mentioned that I started a thread here. We'll see what happens when we go there later. It's a major inconvenience to have to go back and forth with all the luggage and in between tons of meetings. Didn't get much sleep either, as you can see by my posting times.
But venting a bit on Flyertalk by writing down what happened is somewhat therapeutic. Thanks for listening .
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With another 5 Plats (all seasoned travellers having no doubt contacted the hotel in advance) checking in behind the OP and also about to be walked, I'm not sure that emailing would necessarily have helped the OP in this instance.
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What a mess. For that kind of rate, they can do better. Hell, I was offered 7000 starpoints last week because the room I checked into hadn't been properly cleaned. 2300 for getting walked on a prepaid rate is just an insult.
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I do this sometimes when I know I will be arriving after midnight or 1 a.m. or so - but for some reason didn't think of it when arriving at 10 p.m., and with the status and all. Also, I couldn't do it as I was on a plane without internet access from Hong Kong to San Francisco for 11 hours or so. And when I landed, I had that additional e-mail telling me to "rest easy". To tell you the truth, it was obvious to me that this must have been triggered automatically by something having been done to the reservation, but I assumed that they must have upgraded us, possibly to a suite - I guess I was spoiled after traveling in Asia for two weeks (Sheraton Sukhumvit, Conrad Maldives, Conrad Koh Samui, Conrad Bangkok) .
Back to (US) reality, I guess .
I did send the GM a message via Linkedin, and also mentioned that I started a thread here. We'll see what happens when we go there later. It's a major inconvenience to have to go back and forth with all the luggage and in between tons of meetings. Didn't get much sleep either, as you can see by my posting times.
But venting a bit on Flyertalk by writing down what happened is somewhat therapeutic. Thanks for listening .
Back to (US) reality, I guess .
I did send the GM a message via Linkedin, and also mentioned that I started a thread here. We'll see what happens when we go there later. It's a major inconvenience to have to go back and forth with all the luggage and in between tons of meetings. Didn't get much sleep either, as you can see by my posting times.
But venting a bit on Flyertalk by writing down what happened is somewhat therapeutic. Thanks for listening .
Do read up on the current walk policy for SPG and be aware before talking with the GM. It's funny how they react differently when they find out you know the rules. Sounds like the FDC you first dealt with was making things up, hopefully from lack of training and not deliberate lies. Do bring this up with the GM too.
Please hold their feet to the fire (just the feet, not the entire body)! They could have done much better and need incentive to do so. I hope they pick a nice room for you on your return.
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It's funny how they react differently when they find out you know the rules. Sounds like the FDC you first dealt with was making things up, hopefully from lack of training and not deliberate lies. Do bring this up with the GM too.
Please hold their feet to the fire (just the feet, not the entire body)! They could have done much better and need incentive to do so. I hope they pick a nice room for you on your return.
Please hold their feet to the fire (just the feet, not the entire body)! They could have done much better and need incentive to do so. I hope they pick a nice room for you on your return.