No, I'm not missing the point - I totally get it and we seem to be saying the same thing just using different words.
It is unfair to tell all parents of all children not to take their children with them to any enjoyable places (i.e. theater, lounge, restaurant, etc.) just because there is a chance that they may be disruptive. And I already agreed that the parent should do their best to have any disruptive behavior cease and remove their child if necessary so as not to disrupt other patrons.
Plus as many other posters here mentioned, there are many adults who are disruptive and create a less than stellar environment in the lounges - which of their parents is going to come discipline and/or remove them from the lounge???
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No, I'm not missing the point - I totally get it and we seem to be saying the same thing just using different words.
It is unfair to tell all parents of all children not to take their children with them to any enjoyable places (i.e. theater, lounge, restaurant, etc.) just because there is a chance that they may be disruptive.
I don't recall saying "parents of all children." There is also a fundamental difference between a theater and a lounge -- a short-lived disruption in a lounge doesn't destroy the experience. In a theater, it does.
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And I already agreed that the parent should do their best to have any disruptive behavior cease and remove their child if necessary so as not to disrupt other patrons.
Okay, we agree on that.
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Plus as many other posters here mentioned, there are many adults who are disruptive and create a less than stellar environment in the lounges - which of their parents is going to come discipline and/or remove them from the lounge???
I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument at all. I assume you've taught your kids that two wrongs don't make a right.
No, I'm not missing the point - I totally get it and we seem to be saying the same thing just using different words.
It is unfair to tell all parents of all children not to take their children with them to any enjoyable places (i.e. theater, lounge, restaurant, etc.) just because there is a chance that they may be disruptive. And I already agreed that the parent should do their best to have any disruptive behavior cease and remove their child if necessary so as not to disrupt other patrons.
Plus as many other posters here mentioned, there are many adults who are disruptive and create a less than stellar environment in the lounges - which of their parents is going to come discipline and/or remove them from the lounge???
I'm surprised it takes some posters so long to find the kid hater threads as they search FT through and through for kid related issues even right down to the go figure Travel with Children forum - no i'm not referring to you
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I'm sorry, I don't buy that argument at all. I assume you've taught your kids that two wrongs don't make a right.
It's not an argument - just a statement about adults sometimes behaving worse than children and people not having an issue with that, only with the kids.
I'm surprised it takes some posters so long to find the kid hater threads as they search FT through and through for kid related issues even right down to the go figure Travel with Children forum - no i'm not referring to you
I should hope not! I love my kids and I hope I don't meet any of my fellow FT members who "dislike" children (to put it mildly), in lounges while on vacation... Or else, the next post here might be about me and my children in that lounge .
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It's not an argument - just a statement about adults sometimes behaving worse than children and people not having an issue with that, only with the kids.
Okay, then it's a non seqitur.
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I should hope not! I love my kids and I hope I don't meet any of my fellow FT members who "dislike" children (to put it mildly), in lounges while on vacation... Or else, the next post here might be about me and my children in that lounge .
I don't hate kids, nor do I dislike children. I've got the poster you've quoted on ignore because he follows me around whenever I post anything that he considers "anti-child." I do dislike parents who permit their children to be a nuisance to others in environments where it is singularly inappropriate to do so. I don't care if you bring your kids into the lounge when you're on a vacation. I mind very much if you don't take them out of the lounge if they start acting up.
I don't hate kids, nor do I dislike children. I've got the poster you've quoted on ignore because he follows me around whenever I post anything that he considers "anti-child." I do dislike parents who permit their children to be a nuisance to others in environments where it is singularly inappropriate to do so. I don't care if you bring your kids into the lounge when you're on a vacation. I mind very much if you don't take them out of the lounge if they start acting up.
Got you Loud and Clear . I shall rest my case since we seem to be somewhat in agreement anyway, and will let this thread fade into oblivion just like many others before this one...
I too find it annoying when I see kids in an executive lounge or airline lounge misbehaving and their parents don't do anything to stop it.
I feel as if these lounges should cater more to the mature travelers over 18(21) where alcohol is served during certain hours. I paid my way to access these lounges now you're telling me I have to endure the loud kids and their parents who don't care about their behavior.
I was brought up to respect people and their surroundings. If someone told me I was talking too loudly on my cellphone I would apologize and end my conversation shortly thereafter. I am usually well aware of my surroundings and I always clean up my place and make sure I left the area cleaner than it was before I came.
Kids running around and eating food with their hands is so unsanitary. I think it should be a requirement for lounges to have attendants from a health standard point of view. I cannot fathom eating the snacks that were touched by a kid without using the proper utensils.
Heck at Costco the people handing out free samples make sure the parents are with the kids before handing out the sample due to food allergies and sanitary issues.
The same needs to go for lounges if the attendant sees an unattended child in the lounge they need to find the parent or contact security. If the kids are wild the attendant should deny access to the lounge for the comfort and safety of the other patrons following directions.
Come on its not rocket science to take a crying kid outside or breastfeed the kid in the room. My god it only takes all of 5 minutes to return to the room and come back to the club.
I mean if you cannot control your kid why do you travel?
Was recently at the Sheraton D-Cube in Seoul, kids are banned from the club there.
I suspect there are local regulations about establishments serving alcohol because under 12s were also banned at Westin and IC Coex in Seoul. It was blissful and I am intending to going back to Seoul for rest and recuperation.
I don't mind non-disruptive children but I like staying away from disruptive ones.
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I mean if you cannot control your kid why do you travel?
Wheather it's on an airplane or at a hotel, the least parents should do is show concern and try to keep their kids quite. I just had a newborn and boy if she started crying myself and my wife will do everything to keep her quite and if it was too much We'll just go away so we won't annoy anybody.
I suspect there are local regulations about establishments serving alcohol because under 12s were also banned at Westin and IC Coex in Seoul. It was blissful and I am intending to going back to Seoul for rest and recuperation.
I don't mind non-disruptive children but I like staying away from disruptive ones.
The JW Marriott in Seoul has no such banning of children, so I highly doubt there is any sort of regulation.
I think it is much more of a case of a few poor examples of parents ruining it for all parents.
I think a lot of times it's a case of the parents getting a free upgrade and then they think they can do whatever they want. Or, a case of them having too much money and thinking that they are entitled to do whatever they want.
I traveled in FC, visited airline VIP rooms and stayed in exceutive / club levels plenty of times when I was a kid, we never paid full price for that, it was usually a cheap upgrade or upgrades due to my dad's elite status (which he earned purely on business trips) and never misbehaved once, but both me and my younger brother knew the consequences of throwing tantrums or not behaving properly in those places. As a consequence, I cannot understand how can it be so difficult for parents to keep control of their kids, but then again, go back to the start of my post.
I think a lot of times it's a case of the parents getting a free upgrade and then they think they can do whatever they want. Or, a case of them having too much money and thinking that they are entitled to do whatever they want.
Its not free in either case
Its paid for with lots of stays/nights or flat out paid with money
I have no idea what point you are trying to make here
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Ditto!
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I don't have kids and don't mind them in most instances. However, a club lounge is not a playroom or a family room, sometimes the kids are in there like it's a daycare. The CL is a place for adults, period! We are all entitled to our opinion, this is still America, right...
As a suggestion, I would recommend that club lounges be adults only (21+) since alcohol beverages are served, like a lounge, bar, etc...
On a final note, a lounge attendant is not a babysitter and a security guard and should not have to do discipline, sheeesh indeed.
1/2 the problem solved
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. I shall rest my case since we seem to be somewhat in agreement anyway, and will let this thread fade into oblivion just like many others before this one...
Ditto!
The CL is a place for adults, period! We are all entitled to our opinion, this is still America, right... 
