*A void in Brazil ....
#16
Join Date: May 2005
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Where did you hear that? O6 has joined Lifemiles and last time I checked they were on track to join the alliance mid year.
#17
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#18
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Indeed, O6 has partnered with AV's Lifemiles. However, CFO for O6, Gerado Grajales, made such a representation on an earnings call that the airlines will remain separate and separately managed even though the majority owner of O6 and Avianca Holdings (which is the parent co. of AV) is one and the same.
However if Mr. Grajales is so adamant on O6 remaining entirely independent then *A should just say screw him and O6. AD (Azul) looks to have much better coverage of Brazil and already partners with UA. DL partners with G3, and pretty much every one else partners or codeshares through JJ, so that leaves O6 really out on their own in the domestic market with no international feed if *A brings in AD instead.
#19
Join Date: Jun 2011
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I don't see where separate management and operations has anything to do with precluding them from joining *A as planned. There are other examples of that in *A already. LH ---> LX is a prime example, they even have different terms of mileage credit to *A partners.
However if Mr. Grajales is so adamant on O6 remaining entirely independent then *A should just say screw him and O6. AD (Azul) looks to have much better coverage of Brazil and already partners with UA. DL partners with G3, and pretty much every one else partners or codeshares through JJ, so that leaves O6 really out on their own in the domestic market with no international feed if *A brings in AD instead.
However if Mr. Grajales is so adamant on O6 remaining entirely independent then *A should just say screw him and O6. AD (Azul) looks to have much better coverage of Brazil and already partners with UA. DL partners with G3, and pretty much every one else partners or codeshares through JJ, so that leaves O6 really out on their own in the domestic market with no international feed if *A brings in AD instead.
As for AD, I respectfully disagree. UA and many others use GRU as an entry point to Brasil, specifically Sao Paulo, while AD uses VCP, another Sao Paulo airport. Now, I've never done that airport transfer but those who have, including my wife, say the transfer, for lack of a better word, sucks for many reasons, least of which is that the passenger has to take his or her baggage onto two, non-airline city buses.
As for O6, I've flown them and like them a lot (though their telephone customer service is lacking and it does not even have a way for US based callers to call that airline unless said callers have a Brasilian phone plan).
I have yet to fly AD though not for lack of trying. I've tried to both book a revenue flight through UA, which AD would not ticket, and I tried multiple times to use award travel, which even though .bomb shows availability, in fact, there is none.
Last edited by dcpdxtrans; Apr 9, 2015 at 11:08 am Reason: grammatical ambiguity
#20
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As for AD, I respectfully disagree. UA and many others use GRU as an entry point to Brasil, specifically Sao Paulo, while AD uses VCP, another Sao Paulo airport. Now, I've never done that airport transfer but those who have, including my wife, say the transfer, for lack of a better word, sucks for many reasons, least of which is that the passenger has to take his or her baggage onto two, non-airline city buses.
#21
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http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...de_114196.html
Avianca Brasil will officially become part of *A on 22 July 2015.
Avianca Brasil will officially become part of *A on 22 July 2015.
#23
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http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...de_114196.html
Avianca Brasil will officially become part of *A on 22 July 2015.
Avianca Brasil will officially become part of *A on 22 July 2015.
#24
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#25
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http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...de_114196.html
Avianca Brasil will officially become part of *A on 22 July 2015.
Avianca Brasil will officially become part of *A on 22 July 2015.
#26
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 923
Is it me or does anyone else find it problematic that *A has not made any announcements? Also, I find it very interesting that an officer of the company makes a concrete statement in March only for the company to do a 180 two months later. I guess there is much flux occurring in Brasil.
#27
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Is it me or does anyone else find it problematic that *A has not made any announcements? Also, I find it very interesting that an officer of the company makes a concrete statement in March only for the company to do a 180 two months later. I guess there is much flux occurring in Brasil.
#28
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Is it me or does anyone else find it problematic that *A has not made any announcements? Also, I find it very interesting that an officer of the company makes a concrete statement in March only for the company to do a 180 two months later. I guess there is much flux occurring in Brasil.
#29
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#30
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Thank you. So that I understand. O6 is joining *A with their own FFP (at least for the short term)?