Consolidated WN Hawai'i rumors thread (post-ATA)

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Sep 19, 2017, 11:10 am

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Originally Posted by jeffandnicole

Within that link:

I'm not sure how 'recent' that ETOPS is, being that they've been flying to the Caribbean for over 2 years now.

ETOPS is not really required for much of the Caribbean, If they are close enough to land and an alternate landing field it isn't required. It's only required for Extended operations over water that require more than 60 minutes of single engine operation.

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Sep 19, 2017, 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by toomanybooks

Some of this I think qualifies as rumors and speculation:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/410...y-may-imminent

Let the (stock market) speculation begin!

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Sep 19, 2017, 12:43 pm

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Wow that's a detailed post. Love the bit about matching up sunrise times to expected (and missed) announcement dates. The author's assumption of 12 flights a day seems optimistic given WN's relationship with red eye flights, but maybe with Amadeus we'll see them actually make a move on that. Would be interesting to see how that would impact WN's profitability to have that many planes tied up doing a single long trip vs. multiple turns daily considering the price competition from HA. Especially interesting when thinking about the likely number of non-rev pax.

Great article and thanks for sharing.

Sep 19, 2017, 1:33 pm

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Originally Posted by nsx

Let the (stock market) speculation begin!

Well I'm in for a short...

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Sep 19, 2017, 3:51 pm

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Originally Posted by cpatrick

For comparison, WN's LAX-LIR flight seems to be similar in length to West Coast-Hawaii. Costa Rica is also two time zones away from LA.

Sep 19, 2017, 4:12 pm

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Originally Posted by tmiw

For comparison, WN's LAX-LIR flight seems to be similar in length to West Coast-Hawaii. Costa Rica is also two time zones away from LA.

I don't actually see LAX-LIR on the route map, is that a recently announced route?

Sep 19, 2017, 6:02 pm

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Originally Posted by synergistic

I don't actually see LAX-LIR on the route map, is that a recently announced route?

This map shows a blue line between those two cities (indicating that there is a stop). I can't seem to search for a flight there from LAX on their website but FlightAware does seem to indicate that one would currently have to connect through HOU.

Sep 19, 2017, 6:20 pm

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Originally Posted by synergistic

I don't actually see LAX-LIR on the route map, is that a recently announced route?

They used to fly that route. Not sure when it ended. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300202848.html

That being said, I’m not sure how Hawaii will be much different than flying LAX-BWI or SEA-BWI r/t. If they don’t fly red eyes, they could just run evening flights to the islands and morning flights to the west coast or run a full day of LAS/PHX-LAX-Hawaii-SAN-PHX/LAS or something similar.

Sep 19, 2017, 7:35 pm

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Originally Posted by tusphotog

Obviously, they will take redeye flight back to West Coast. They can put on the next flight back to East or anywhere else. They will landed in LAX and then connection the flight.

Sep 19, 2017, 9:24 pm

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From AT101:

RUMOR: Sources telling me OAK, SAN, LAX to HNL as first Southwest routes launching early 2018. Source has SWA Life access (employee intranet), moderate confidence.