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Old Jun 25, 2017, 10:56 pm
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WN 4519 Diverted to CRP

A woman 'shouting at herself' at LAX boards WN 4519. Suffers mid air 'episode.'

The woman was showing strange behavior at Los Angeles International Airport but was allowed to board the plane.

"It was weird," 29-year-old Terrance Franklin said of the passenger's behavior.

Franklin, who was headed home to Houston from Los Angeles, said the woman had an "episode" about an hour into the flight. At this point, Franklin said the woman tried to open the emergency exit, forcing the plane to land in Corpus Christi.


Southwest Flight To Houston Diverted For 'Disruptive' Passenger
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Old Jun 26, 2017, 11:22 am
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thank you for posting a brief summary of the link..

instead of JUST a link.
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Old Jun 26, 2017, 2:45 pm
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How would Corpus come into play as a diversion point on a flight path from LAX to Houston? San Antonio makes sense, but Corpus?
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Old Jun 26, 2017, 3:02 pm
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Perhaps a southerly path for storm avoidance would be my guess? Great Circle routing would have them just north of Austin otherwise...
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Old Jun 26, 2017, 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by harold
How would Corpus come into play as a diversion point on a flight path from LAX to Houston? San Antonio makes sense, but Corpus?
It appears on FR24 as if the incident occured after passing SAT. When you have disturbance like that, you don't want to turn around, but rather proceed forward to the nearest airport. Plus, this way the FBI could settle in and be ready.
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Old Jun 26, 2017, 3:41 pm
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Just seems like a lot of muss and fuss - a 5 hour delay "to investigate". Investigate what? That door wasn't going to open at altitude. Those poor passengers...
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Old Jun 26, 2017, 4:23 pm
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Originally Posted by joshua362
Just seems like a lot of muss and fuss - a 5 hour delay "to investigate". Investigate what? That door wasn't going to open at altitude. Those poor passengers...
I feel silly now, but I didn't know this before now! It makes sense given the air pressure differential, though I think I must have had the Hollywood version of airplane doors in my mind. It would really help if news articles about these incidents mention that the doors won't open at altitude! (One explanation here http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/exits/ )
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Old Jun 26, 2017, 9:13 pm
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Do you think they'd allow the public to sit next to the door if it could open at altitude?
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Old Jun 27, 2017, 9:40 am
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Just seems like a lot of muss and fuss - a 5 hour delay "to investigate". Investigate what? That door wasn't going to open at altitude. Those poor passengers...
If a person is acting so erratically you never know it they will become violent or if it is a medical emergency. It seems prudent to land as expeditiously as practical and have the individual evaluated.
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Old Jun 27, 2017, 10:08 am
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If a person is acting so erratically you never know it they will become violent or if it is a medical emergency. It seems prudent to land as expeditiously as practical and have the individual evaluated.
WN 4519 re-boarded at 5:49pm CDT.

What was there to "investigate" that would take 4.5 hours?

It's possible the door was damaged.
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Old Jun 27, 2017, 10:26 am
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From the article:

Because the incident happened in the air, it is being investigated by the FBI, which did not respond to requests for information. The FBI was on the scene investigating after the plane landed, according to officials at Corpus Christi International Airport.
My guess is that the feds also needed to clear the plane for explosives, including possibly offloading all the luggage for re-inspection, and some of that time was spent waiting for them to arrive.
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Old Jul 2, 2017, 8:08 pm
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Originally Posted by joshua362
Just seems like a lot of muss and fuss - a 5 hour delay "to investigate". Investigate what? That door wasn't going to open at altitude. Those poor passengers...
I never knew this and deep down had a fear of some idiot trying to open it lol
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Originally Posted by LegalTender
WN 4519 re-boarded at 5:49pm CDT.

What was there to "investigate" that would take 4.5 hours?

It's possible the door was damaged.
In all likelihood, the delay on-deck at CRP was for contract MX to come out and do an overweight landing inspection on the aircraft.

Most airline flights are not takeoff-limited, but landing weight-limited, which means max landing weight plus the fuel burnoff A to B equals the max weight one can depart A and still arrive at B not to exceed max landing weight. Should the flight change "B" once enroute to someplace that's a lesser distance to "A", less fuel is consumed such that the aircraft now is overweight for landing. It lands anyway, thus the need for the inspection.

In the early days of jet airliners (707, 727, DC-8) all those aircraft has a fuel dump system to deal with such overweight situations, but jet aircraft since don't require one.
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Old Jul 5, 2017, 9:30 am
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In all likelihood, the delay on-deck at CRP was for contract MX to come out and do an overweight landing inspection on the aircraft.

Most airline flights are not takeoff-limited, but landing weight-limited, which means max landing weight plus the fuel burnoff A to B equals the max weight one can depart A and still arrive at B not to exceed max landing weight. Should the flight change "B" once enroute to someplace that's a lesser distance to "A", less fuel is consumed such that the aircraft now is overweight for landing. It lands anyway, thus the need for the inspection.

In the early days of jet airliners (707, 727, DC-8) all those aircraft has a fuel dump system to deal with such overweight situations, but jet aircraft since don't require one.
Why would it be overweight if it landed less than 200 miles from its intended destination on an already long flight? Wouldn't it have burned off enough fuel?

Also doesn't the 747 have a dump system?
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Old Jul 6, 2017, 4:30 am
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Originally Posted by jco613
Why would it be overweight if it landed less than 200 miles from its intended destination on an already long flight? Wouldn't it have burned off enough fuel?

Also doesn't the 747 have a dump system?
Yes, even 200 miles shorter would have lowered the fuel consumption such that the burn was lower enough to have put them overweight for landing, especially at the high ZFWs (zero-fuel weights) that SWA's full flights typically operate at.

The 747 does indeed have a fuel jettison (dump) system but the 737 doesn't nor has it ever required one.
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