SQ terminates RTW fare

whale beach · May 12, 08, 7:08 pm

I've just been advised by my agent (in Oz) that SQ has terminated its RTW fare.

Does anyone have any further details?

Singapore_Air · May 12, 08, 7:28 pm

I got this off KVS but if your travel agent has told you that, then I don't know what to make of it. Just FYI:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.1.0/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/ZUJ/SG/AUD]

Code:

SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
RT   May-Apr

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
SQ        SYD    SYD     2283   AUD                      YCASTAR1
SQ        SYD    SYD     2621   AUD                      YCASTAR2
SQ        SYD    SYD     2711   AUD                      YRWSPCL
SQ        SYD    SYD     2965   AUD                 12M  YRWSQVS
SQ        SYD    SYD     3207   AUD                      YRWSTAR1
SQ        SYD    SYD     3252   AUD                 12M  YLRWESC
SQ        SYD    SYD     3624   AUD                      YCPSTAR1
SQ        SYD    SYD     3753   AUD                      YRWSTAR2
SQ        SYD    SYD     3802   AUD                 12M  YHRWESC
SQ        SYD    SYD     4339   AUD                      YCPSTAR2
SQ        SYD    SYD     4379   AUD                      YRWSTAR3
SQ        SYD    SYD     5550   AUD                      CCASTAR1
SQ        SYD    SYD     6474   AUD                      CCASTAR2
SQ        SYD    SYD     7338   AUD                      FCASTAR1
SQ        SYD    SYD     8371   AUD                      CCPSTAR1
SQ        SYD    SYD     8421   AUD                 12M  CRWSQVS
SQ        SYD    SYD     8579   AUD                      FCASTAR2
SQ        SYD    SYD     9920   AUD                      CRWSTAR1
SQ        SYD    SYD    10039   AUD                      CCPSTAR2
SQ        SYD    SYD    10487   AUD                 12M  CRWESC
SQ        SYD    SYD    11052   AUD                      CRWSTAR2
SQ        SYD    SYD    11429   AUD                      FCPSTAR1
SQ        SYD    SYD    12432   AUD                      CRWSTAR3
SQ        SYD    SYD    13713   AUD                      FCPSTAR2
SQ        SYD    SYD    13971   AUD                      FRWSTAR1
SQ        SYD    SYD    15004   AUD                      FRWSTAR2
SQ        SYD    SYD    16037   AUD                      FRWSTAR3

BlondeBomber · May 12, 08, 8:29 pm

Might have been SQ's own RTW and not their participation in a Star Alliance RTW?

BlondeBomber · May 12, 08, 8:37 pm

I am not getting the YRWSQVS etc fares out of BNE or PER, just STAR ones . . .

infoworks · May 13, 08, 2:20 am

My TA told me this morning that SQ are now pricing every segment, resulting in higher fares. e.g. SYD-PEK is now SYD-SIN, SIN-PEK and return. Even though that was always the routing, the fare was based on a SYD-PEK and lower. My TA describes the current SQ attitude as "bloody minded".

BTW, my TA is good, have been with her for 30+ years, mostly does corporate work. SQ recently refused to renew/renegotiate some great corporate rates we had as well.

I have had some great SQ RTW deals in F, in the past, cheaper than Kangaroo route or across the Pacific. May have to book * and use SQ flights in future.

stargold · May 13, 08, 3:14 am

I'm still seeing (F/C/Y)EZSQ RTW fares ex-LHR... but not any of the Aus/NZ cities.

Maybe they have terminated the all-SQ RTWs ex-Aus/NZ because you had the special concession meaning you could fly Aus/NZ-SIN and back as well as the full RTW segments, meaning you got a lot more out of the RTW than everyone else?

**Guy Betsy** · May 13, 08, 3:23 am

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Originally Posted by infoworks

My TA told me this morning that SQ are now pricing every segment, resulting in higher fares. e.g. SYD-PEK is now SYD-SIN, SIN-PEK and return. Even though that was always the routing, the fare was based on a SYD-PEK and lower. My TA describes the current SQ attitude as "bloody minded".

BTW, my TA is good, have been with her for 30+ years, mostly does corporate work. SQ recently refused to renew/renegotiate some great corporate rates we had as well.

I have had some great SQ RTW deals in F, in the past, cheaper than Kangaroo route or across the Pacific. May have to book * and use SQ flights in future.

I guess it had to happen sooner or later...

Gone are the days of el cheapo fares on SQ I guess. From what I hear, SQ is charging a surcharge in economy for the A380 flights ex-SIN , where, unfortunately, most people WILL in Singapore will pay just because it's "the 380 on SIA".

From that attitude, to cutbacks in quality in their premium classes, to cutbacks of certain nett fares, SQ wants to be a premium airline with full published fares only! I wonder how long before it will realise that that might not work when the numbers start to crunch.

demue · May 13, 08, 4:08 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Betsy

From what I hear, SQ is charging a surcharge in economy for the A380 flights ex-SIN , where, unfortunately, most people WILL in Singapore will pay just because it's "the 380 on SIA".

Hmm not like we want to pay such a surcharge (ridiculous pricing policy - I agree) but sometimes this is the flight / time one needs to fly. The more birds they get and deploy to other routes the worse our choices become. Unless my company pays for it I will avoid those flights if possible.

Similarly, I'm already dreading the day when there are no morew 747's to Europe, Oz, US any longer and I can kiss goodbye to any C or F reward seats on SQ at saver levels.

lokijuh · May 13, 08, 4:46 am

Aaah this explains why mysteriously the SQ RTW fare disappeared from bestflights.com.au round the world fares pages over the weekend. Not surprising really ex-Oz given that return flights to SIN in business are $4.5K or thereabouts. If they're filling the planes at that they're practically giving away the rest of the RTW sectors.

RTW4 · May 13, 08, 6:01 am

How sad.. I booked a SQ RTW from SYD last OCTOBER and really was looking forward to booking another. Great fare for $8500 in first with a routing of SYD-SIN-NRT-LAX...JFK-FRA...BCN-MXP-SIN-SYD.....

daniellam · May 13, 08, 5:49 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Betsy

From that attitude, to cutbacks in quality in their premium classes, to cutbacks of certain nett fares, SQ wants to be a premium airline with full published fares only! I wonder how long before it will realise that that might not work when the numbers start to crunch.

I was on SQ15/16 (the SFO-ICN-SIN vv. flights) recently and noticed the following (at least in the F cabin).

On SQ 15, all pax (including myself) in F terminated at ICN. Seems like that a new set of pax would then join the flight in ICN to continue to SIN.

On SQ 16, I started my trip in SIN and most of the fellow pax on my flight whom I saw in the F side of the SKL were actually in J (and some even Y, while I noticed while boarding the flight - and some had "Solitaire" baggage tags). Flight from SIN-ICN was 7/8. From ICN-SFO, I was the only passenger (everybody else got off at ICN). Note: SIN-SFO is about SGD 8000 one-way in F.

This makes me wonder why SQ even bothers putting at 77W on this route. Just to serve the SIN-ICN-SIN passengers?

Koko · May 13, 08, 8:51 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniellam

This makes me wonder why SQ even bothers putting at 77W on this route. Just to serve the SIN-ICN-SIN passengers?

I fly SFO-ICN-SFO just for this flight in paid J. If they used a 747, I would most likely fly UA.

Sydfly · May 13, 08, 9:52 pm

Are you saying that SQ was selling C RTW from Oz for $5500 and F RTW for $7338? How come I didn't know about this until they withdraw this offer?!?

That sounds like a great fare to Europe in SQ C and I was always buying the LH fare for around the same price that only allows UA, TG and LH flights.

crdaus · May 14, 08, 1:38 am

I have just completed an RTW SQ only itinerary in F because the fare was attractive. I think SQ is foolish to terminate this special fare because it was the main thing that attracted me away from OneWorld. SQ are kidding themselves if they think pax like me will continue to fly with them at fares similar to OneWorld. It is not as if SQ's F cabins are full. On FRA-SIN (744 service) last week there were only 3 F pax, and on SIN-MEL (744 service) there were only 4 - and the rest of the classes were very lightly loaded as well. Be careful SQ.

alex1948 · May 14, 08, 5:27 am

But surely under the terms of its membership with Star, SIA simply cannot drop out of an important promotional fare like the RTW ?

SIA can, of course, modify the price from market to market and surcharge premium class on the A380 etc (which it is already doing in some markets). But, along with the other Star members, it has to participate in RTW ... at least that's what the info on the Star Alliance website would infer.