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Old Aug 25, 09, 2:30 pm   #376
 
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SQ has traffic rights between IAH and DME. They do not have traffic rights, even for their own stopover passengers, on the other sectors you listed.
The ones with "=" in my list are listed as flights in their own flight timetable.

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Finally, that fare is only for sale ex-UK, ex North America, and ex-SIN. You cannot originate at any other point on that type of fare. It'll show as on offer ex-TPE, too, but it's not actually bookable originating there under the rules.
What about CAI-SIN(stop)-EWR(stop)/JFK-FRA ?

I'm thinking of booking a LHR-TLV and doing an Israel/Jordan/Egypt tour from TLV to CAI and then booking a FRA-LHR to finish it. Also I'm thinking of doing NYC-YUL-NYC on the side if AC has a good fare. All that might end up being more expensive than a real RTW though.

An alternative is to do SIN-HKG(stop)-SFO and then make my own way SFO-YUL-JFK to close the gap but I think that would be more expensive than just NYC-YUL-NYC.
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Old Aug 25, 09, 10:07 pm   #377
 
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What about CAI-SIN(stop)-EWR(stop)/JFK-FRA ?

I'm thinking of booking a LHR-TLV and doing an Israel/Jordan/Egypt tour from TLV to CAI and then booking a FRA-LHR to finish it. Also I'm thinking of doing NYC-YUL-NYC on the side if AC has a good fare. All that might end up being more expensive than a real RTW though.

An alternative is to do SIN-HKG(stop)-SFO and then make my own way SFO-YUL-JFK to close the gap but I think that would be more expensive than just NYC-YUL-NYC.
As you say "All that might end up being more expensive than a real RTW though". You can certainly do what you're contemplating, but not on an inexpensive SQ-only xEZSQ-type fare....it's simply not offered ex-CAI.

So -- for example -- if you buy a "real" RTW from OneWorld, CAI back to CAI, it'll cost you GBP 5562 each. The equivalent *A, in First, will set you back
GBP 8793.

Buy a "real" RTW from LHR back to LHR? It'll cost you GBP 6800 on OneWorld in F; GBP 9548 on *A.

And, if you want to use SQ, you're stuck with the *A fares, or with piecing together SQ's own point-to-point one way fares.

Bottom line: the xEZSQ fares are irrelevant for the Middle East and/or the Indian subcontinent.................
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Old Aug 26, 09, 8:20 am   #378
 
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.it's simply not offered ex-CAI.
so ex-LHR the *only* valid routes are

LHR-SIN-HKG-SFO/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-NRT-LAX/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-ICN-SFO/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-EWR/JFK-FRA

Is it not valid ex-FRA in which case there's no westward option from Europe at all?

Or can you do these?

FRA-JFK/SFO-ICN-SIN-LHR
FRA-JFK/SFO-ICN-SIN-DXB-CAI
FRA-JFK/SFO-ICN-SIN-DXB-IST

?
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Old Aug 26, 09, 11:21 am   #379
 
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so ex-LHR the *only* valid routes are

LHR-SIN-HKG-SFO/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-NRT-LAX/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-ICN-SFO/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-EWR/JFK-FRA

Is it not valid ex-FRA in which case there's no westward option from Europe at all?

Or can you do these?

FRA-JFK/SFO-ICN-SIN-LHR
FRA-JFK/SFO-ICN-SIN-DXB-CAI
FRA-JFK/SFO-ICN-SIN-DXB-IST

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Don't know about westbound (I guess you can always call and ask), but I think for eastbound you can end with IAH-DME instead of JFK-FRA
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Old Aug 26, 09, 11:36 am   #380
 
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so ex-LHR the *only* valid routes are

LHR-SIN-HKG-SFO/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-NRT-LAX/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-ICN-SFO/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-EWR/JFK-FRA

Is it not valid ex-FRA in which case there's no westward option from Europe at all?

Or can you do these?

FRA-JFK/SFO-ICN-SIN-LHR
FRA-JFK/SFO-ICN-SIN-DXB-CAI
FRA-JFK/SFO-ICN-SIN-DXB-IST

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Not available ex-FRA, so you cannot use an xEZSQ fare westward from Europe.
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Old Aug 26, 09, 12:17 pm   #381
 
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Don't know about westbound (I guess you can always call and ask), but I think for eastbound you can end with IAH-DME instead of JFK-FRA
Interestingly both IAH and DME are further east than LHR so you're actually going more than 360 degrees around the world in terms of longitude.

I'm still puzzled why IAH-DME doesn't show up in their printed timetable even though their web site does let you book it.
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Old Aug 26, 09, 12:19 pm   #382
 
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So we have as the exhaustive list of ex-LHR routings available

LHR-SIN-HKG-SFO/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-NRT-LAX/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-ICN-SFO/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-EWR/JFK-FRA
LHR-SIN-HKG-SFO/IAH-DME
LHR-SIN-NRT-LAX/IAH-DME
LHR-SIN-ICN-SFO/IAH-DME
LHR-SIN-EWR/IAH-DME
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Old Aug 26, 09, 12:27 pm   #383
 
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Interesting question:

Backtracking is allowed in Europe. How about North America? Can you fly into EWR and leave from IAH?

There are probably more combinations than the ones listed if you don't mind a break in the journey in Asia.
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Old Aug 26, 09, 4:21 pm   #384
 
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And summarizing the rest of the thread it looks like ex-USA the following routings are valid. The /europe/ means journeys can be continued from that location or any other European airport SQ flies to such as Milan, Barcelona, LHR, CDG, etc.

Eastward:
JFK-FRA/europe-SIN-NRT-LAX
JFK-FRA/europe-SIN-ICN-SFO
JFK-FRA/europe-SIN-HKG-SFO
JFK-FRA/europe-SIN-EWR
IAH-DME/europe-SIN-NRT-LAX
IAH-DME/europe-SIN-ICN-SFO
IAH-DME/europe-SIN-HKG-SFO
IAH-DME/europe-SIN-EWR (?)

Westward:
LAX-NRT-SIN-europe/FRA-JFK
SFO-ICN-SIN-europe/FRA-JFK
SFO-HKG-SIN-europe/FRA-JFK
EWR-SIN-europe/FRA-JFK
LAX-NRT-SIN-europe/DME-IAH
SFO-ICN-SIN-europe/DME-IAH
SFO-HKG-SIN-europe/DME-IAH
EWR-SIN-europe/DME-IAH (?)

Last edited by zkzkz; Aug 26, 09 at 4:29 pm. Reason: Can you "backtrack" in n.a. by going westward iah-...-ewr or v.v?
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Old Aug 26, 09, 4:27 pm   #385
 
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Interesting question:

Backtracking is allowed in Europe. How about North America? Can you fly into EWR and leave from IAH?
And end at DME? I dunno.

I suppose this is implied if you can fly EWR-SIN-DME-IAH?

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There are probably more combinations than the ones listed if you don't mind a break in the journey in Asia.
It doesn't sound like it. If it's only available ex-LHR actually starting from LHR then you have to fly straight to SIN. If you leave out the segment leaving from SIN you have to pick it up from some location East of SIN that SQ flies from and fly to someplace East of there. That's going to limit you to the segments listed, ICN-SFO, HKG-SFO, or NRT-LAX. Ie, there are other combinations but they're just the same routings with segments skipped. They don't get you to any new destinations.
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Old Aug 26, 09, 4:31 pm   #386
 
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Ie, there are other combinations but they're just the same routings with segments skipped. They don't get you to any new destinations.
oh wait, I see what you mean. You could fly LHR-SIN-BKK/ICN-SFO/JFK-FRA for example. Sure, that's a good point.
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Old Aug 26, 09, 4:36 pm   #387
 
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oh wait, I see what you mean. You could fly LHR-SIN-BKK/ICN-SFO/JFK-FRA for example. Sure, that's a good point.
Er, not BKK because that's West. But anywhere east of SIN such as PEK, PVG, TPE. I wonder if you could do LHR-SIN-PER/ICN-SFO/JFK-FRA ?

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Old Aug 26, 09, 4:50 pm   #388
 
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Old Aug 26, 09, 9:21 pm   #389
 
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[quote=c1mth0g;12286287]Interesting question:

Backtracking is allowed in Europe. How about North America? Can you fly into EWR and leave from IAH?

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Nope. The rule explicitly states that "no backtracking is allowed except between two SQ destinations in Europe."

No backtracks in Asia; no backtracks in North America.
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Old Aug 28, 09, 7:38 pm   #390
 
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Interesting question:

Backtracking is allowed in Europe. How about North America? Can you fly into EWR and leave from IAH?

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Nope. The rule explicitly states that "no backtracking is allowed except between two SQ destinations in Europe."

No backtracks in Asia; no backtracks in North America.
Is it a backtrack if you start at EWR (westbound) and then end at IAH? (Or the other way?) This was never an issue before because SIN-EWR was not allowed on the SQ only RTW.
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