SQ may start TLV
Oct 12, 2016, 11:38 pm
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This would be a natural route to add. There is significant technology and military ties between Israel and Singapore.
The same country that threatens the water supply on a bi-annual basis? Shocking.
If the new government goes in for Malaysia, it will prob be viable but with the current governments desperation to keep the Malay vote, they will not do anything to irk the public the wrong way, especially by allowing TLV bound flights to pass by.
Malaysia cancelled hosting some event because they couldn't grant visas to the Israelis.
Malaysia needs to grow up.
Malaysia cancelled hosting some event because they couldn't grant visas to the Israelis.
Malaysia needs to grow up.
Oct 13, 2016, 11:42 am
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Exactly. And not just Singapore.
Upthread, I posted the link to the CX forum where there is also discussion of a new route to TLV.
This poster asked:
.....Also, TLV? Why? Is there a large influx of Chinese or Israeli tourist between the city pair? I'm just curious with their business strategy, do they mainly cater to O&D passengers, transit passengers or something else? I know cargo plays a huge part in their business but I just didn't think TLV would come into mind. Similarly to PR, they mainly launch destinations to cities where there are large Filipino population (VFR traffic as they call it). Does SQ have the same strategy being that SQ and CX are the biggest rivals in Asia....
Tech and finance would be more of a reason than tourism. I'll assume some cargo as well.
Also, quite a few tech and trade deals have been signed between various companies in PRC and Israel. Not sure if any of the mainline carriers fly to TLV, so if CX offers the direct flight, it could potentially have traffic from there (Just thinking out loud, not dealing with logistics)......
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Also, quite a few tech and trade deals have been signed between various companies in PRC and Israel. Not sure if any of the mainline carriers fly to TLV, so if CX offers the direct flight, it could potentially have traffic from there (Just thinking out loud, not dealing with logistics)......
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So while there are always tourists, there have been huge technology, R&D, etc agreements signed over the past year+, between Singapore and Israel as well as between major companies in PRC, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam - just to name a few examples.
I am not sure of how airspace rules affect SQ and CX in the same way that LY must take a different route to BKK etc. Again, someone posted on the CX forum about CX not having those same restrictions and their potential flight being significantly shorter in duration.
Either way, there are many countries who have political constituencies that don't like each other. But there are also countries and companies with great leaders, ideas and opportunities who can make it all work.
I prefer to be optimistic about SQ considering the route as it will benefit companies and populations not just in both countries, but elsewhere.
Oct 13, 2016, 11:55 am
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Also, TLV? Why? Is there a large influx of Chinese or Israeli tourist between the city pair? I'm just curious with their business strategy, do they mainly cater to O&D passengers, transit passengers or something else? I know cargo plays a huge part in their business but I just didn't think TLV would come into mind. Similarly to PR, they mainly launch destinations to cities where there are large Filipino population (VFR traffic as they call it). Does SQ have the same strategy being that SQ and CX are the biggest rivals in Asia.
Correct me if I'm wrong though but these are just my two cents
Correct me if I'm wrong though but these are just my two cents
The actual truth is that the more complicated ties between a place, including schools, businesses, and governments, are what drive air traffic between places for legacy carriers. Why else would SQ launch WLG-CBR "Capital Express"? Why would AA fly RDU-LHR?
Business traffic will make or break a route for legacy carriers. They are not LCCs that can experiment with 738s with service 2 or 3x weekly and then pull out after a season if it's unsuccessful. Legacy carriers like CX and SQ have to put huge amounts of investment into these long-haul routes, and you can bet that they won't do it if there's no corporate traffic.
VFR and tourism traffic will just take the cheaper connecting option anyways.
I am not sure of how airspace rules affect SQ and CX in the same way that LY must take a different route to BKK etc. Again, someone posted on the CX forum about CX not having those same restrictions and their potential flight being significantly shorter in duration.
Either way, there are many countries who have political constituencies that don't like each other. But there are also countries and companies with great leaders, ideas and opportunities who can make it all work.
I prefer to be optimistic about SQ considering the route as it will benefit companies and populations not just in both countries, but elsewhere.
I prefer to be optimistic about SQ considering the route as it will benefit companies and populations not just in both countries, but elsewhere.
Oct 13, 2016, 12:56 pm
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Oct 20, 2016, 7:12 am
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Assuming that SIN-TLV will be important for traffic from Australia to TLV as there are no direct flights from there to service the large Jewish communities of SYD/MEL to TLV
Assuming that SIN-TLV will be important for traffic from Australia to TLV as there are no direct flights from there to service the large Jewish communities of SYD/MEL to TLV
Oct 20, 2016, 9:50 am
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I'm fairly certain that this route, if it does indeed happen, would be predicated on the substantial amount of business being conducted between Singapore and Israel. There are very strong ties in tech, military, logistics, biotech, etc. The list is long and diverse.
Oct 20, 2016, 9:54 am
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No dead as a doodoo airline would launch fifth-freedom routes. Not that your comment didn't have sense though. It's just outdated by five over years. SQ was dead as a doodoo in terms of launching routes then.
Oct 20, 2016, 6:26 pm
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SIN-DUS also launched this year. Plus two existing one-stops converted to non-stop SIN-MAN & SIN-SFO (with MAN-IAH replacing DME-IAH, and ICN-LAX replacing ICN-SFO).
But SIN-BCN-GRU gone.