weero

So which of the two is it? They flatter her curves or they are not sexed costumes ?
Ah - so you get a kick out of it but don't like it to be mentioned ...
I agree ... for me it is still hard to comprehend how prudery in words can be so boldly embraced whereas prudery in dressing isn't .. within the very same culture.

anaidross

So a well cut Hugo Boss suit is also over-sexed?

Over-sex is something sleezy in my dictionary.

I just cannot understand how someone can see a traditional costume that is also worn by old grandmothers could be oversexed by any length.

Keep in mind, the kabayas worn by the SQ girls are not even sheer. The SQ girls do look good in the kabayas. But that does not make the kabaya oversexed. For instance, many girls look good in their school uniform. Is the school uniform oversexed then? Absolutely no logic.

So I am certainly not being prudish. I simply cannot understand the "oversexed" logic and want to question it.

My take:

If one finds traditional costumes commonly worn by women of all ages from a particular race / region (such as ao dia, cheongsams, dirndls, pollera, saris or kabayas) to be oversexed, that person is obviously either too overly conservative or too overly imaginative or still in the midst of puberty.

Beolab

My take:

If one finds traditional costumes commonly worn by women of all ages from a particular race / region (such as ao dia, cheongsams, dirndls, pollera, saris or kabayas) to be oversexed, that person is obviously either too overly conservative or too overly imaginative or still in the midst of puberty.[/QUOTE]

It could not have said it better in any way. Hear hear!

weero

I haven't seen the suit, so how would I know? And is 'sleazy' something desirable in a uniform to you or not? I appears that you use a very different metric than I do.
I have never seen a grandmother in an SQ uniform. And I also have zero experience with what that kebab thingie you keep talking about is coming from. I am talking solely about the uniform.
That is indeed an interesting point. As a continental European school uniforms are quite taboo for me and many Europeans despise them because they think that it puts the girls on display and makes them vulnerable. Being of that culture, I share that sentiment. But that strays too much off topic.

In this context and for adults only your statement is moot. Not all uniforms are oversexed, most aren't. Even good looking ones are not. See the Scoot example.
Perhaps. I'd rather say that Singapore's government mandated cut off from nudity and erotic imagery explains the false dichotomy on the subject displayed here. There is a reason why uniforms - including the above mentioned ones - play such a broad role in erotic imagery.
And yes, the Dirndl is absolutely a traditional and oversexed dress - heck the German slang word for prostitute is derived from that dress!!!

But back on track, the specific uniforms in question - not some dresses you know and I don't - the bolt-on curves, the tons of make up (mandated), the flimsy open shoes which fly in the face of airline safety. If that's not eroticized for you, I rest my case. Then it is all cultural difference and not more.

anaidross

Please allow me to add a few further words in red to my original comment above for clarity purposes:

If one finds any uniform styled closely after traditional costumes commonly worn by women of all ages from a particular race / region (such as ao dia, cheongsams, dirndls, pollera, saris or kabayas) to be oversexed, that person is obviously either too overly conservative or too overly imaginative or still in the midst of puberty or sick in mind.


Need I say more? I too rest my case.

lighthand

So...... is the costume worn by FA, the justification for higher prices?

weero

QED in this thread.
With the not so subtle difference that you don't have a case. All you have done is upgraded your false trichotomy into an equally false plychotomy, after it had been refuted.

Case in point:Result from LEO German-English dictionary .

So your argument by assertion is based on both the false assumption that 'traditional' somehow warrants 'decent', followed by the unsupported conclusion that anyone who disagrees with you -> pick from 5 invectives.

Would be nice to hear an argument en lieu of tantrums for a change.

lighthand

[QUOTE]Em.. Pardon my (Extremely) poor Latin, but I don't understand the use of: ("this proof completely" in this thread.)

anaidross

Firstly, my definition for the costume is much broader than “traditional”. Have a look again at what you attempted to quote.

Secondly, it is “4” and not “5” invectives (in your words). Count again with your other free hand.

Thirdly, those are not invectives. They are my frank opinions of those who find school uniforms, dirndls and kabayas to be oversexed.

After learning that you find school uniform to be oversexed too, I knew that I do not have a chance. That is why I rested my case because it is not possible convince such types. At no time did I bother putting up any argument thereafter.

Anyway, according to Wiki, the German word "Dirne" is supposed to mean "young unmarried ladies" (still used today in South East Germany and Austria for this purpose) which became a dubious description for "prostitutes".

I do not read that "Dirne" has anything to do with the dress "Dirndl". ANother over imaginative situation with costumes / uniform perhaps .

Naja, as mentioned, no point convincing those types who even find school uniform to be oversexed. So let me save my breath.

[QUOTE=lighthand;23432644]Count yourself lucky if that is the only thing you did not understand from weero.

weero

Oh so you do want to limit your defence to that particular quote (the one counting 4 invectives alone) .. but then your justification is fairly narrow.

I also don't see how these traditional dresses depend on "your definition" and how that would salvage their dignity. It sounds like a clumsy attempt to justify your previous statements with politically correct obfuscation.
How is that even remotely a contradiction? If I posted my opinion of those who find the SQ dresses 'elegant' or 'stylish' here, I'd post the earliest again in a month from now.
I am not going to defend statements I haven't made.
Don't worry, you didn't even learn this. You won't be able to point out that and where I purportedly wrote such a thing.
Actually no, now you try to kinda defend your statements, not so much before.
Hahaha! I urge you to try this anywhere in Southern Germany and check if you get away with stitches only.

I can't even find an obsolete source for your claim - de.wikipedia.org clearly states that the term is only used for 'prostitute' in all dialects... but hey, feel free to defend the dirndle as elegant and timeless, suitable for older women as well!
Unsurprising given the quality of your research so far.

Took me about 15 seconds to establish the identity of the terminolgy:here.

May I also add that it is stilly to argue with an original German speaker about the proper use of German?

anaidross

For someone who cannot count properly…
For someone cannot remember properly…

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirne

For someone who cannot search properly...

Wow, one gift at least...

So who says God is not fair.

In any case, to me it still like of playing piano to a cow (“对牛弹琴”).

weero

Indeed - you really should point me to the passage where I claimed such a thing:
So do you remember where I said such a thing? Or will you keep playing the dyslexic when confronted with actual questions or arguments?
:quadruple-facepalm:

Your link supports exactly what I said. Priceless and shameless!
You plan on sinking your public embarrassment in OMNI-PR?
What kind of sentence was that ???

lighthand

Ladies & Gents,

Let's all be nice and polite.

Thank you.

Cheers!

weero

Okokok ... will try.

anaidross

The women's willingness to wear these traditional costumes (including Dirndl and Kabaya) and their men's (yes, their men must be involved unfortunately) willingness to allow their own ladies to wear and to accept these traditional costumes, are the best testaments that these costumes are not over-sexed.

At least the case of Dirndl and Kabaya, the ladies of all ages are wearing these traditional dresses not just for honest / decent work (i.e. not just as a uniform but also as a common working dress in the fields and farms), for going out and for religious festivals. They are also dresses for formal occasions, like family wedding and funeral (including own funeral (i.e. buried wearing it)).

Had these dresses been remotely over-sexed, the men will not even allow their own ladies (i.e. their own wives, daughters (especially them), sisters, mothers, grandmothers and granddaughters) to wear these dresses. Afterall, men do have the highest decency standards when it comes to the dresses their own ladies wear.

These testaments are certainly more credible than the claim of a continental European, who even finds schoolgirls' uniform to be taboo as they are considered to be oversexed for him too.

As aptly mentioned by bluegreentravel, “something would always be sexual to those who wish it to be”.

For a purported well-travelled adult to claim that traditional dresses, like Drindl and Kabaya, are “over-sexed”, ought to have the mind checked.

The perverted claim not only insults the culture of the ladies wearing these traditional dresses because they are proud of their heritage. It also degrades these ladies.