Suggestion: Restrict access to S.P.A.M. forum
#1
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Suggestion: Restrict access to S.P.A.M. forum
I don't know if the S.P.A.M. forum had restrictions on who could access it, at one time, much like CC and OMNI, but in thinking about how to address the thoughts of some that it's resembling FatWallet more and more, and noticing a newer FT member who has posts only in S.P.A.M., and is soliciting for MyCokeRewards codes, perhaps placing restrictions (90 days/90 posts) or some such would help it look less like FatWallet.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
#2
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I totally agree with you that FT shouldn't turn into FW or SD. However, I saw it coming when TB voted to table the discussion.
I might be wrong. After all the discussion our fellow FTers put into where our SPAM forum is heading?, TB had spoken. They are quite comfortable with the status quo of SPAM by voting to table the discussion of S.P.A.M. I recalled reading posts that TB is not interested in a potential motion that wouldn't pass at all.
I am not saying I understand nor agree with that logic, especially when I know for sure not every TB motion got passed. My thinking is like this. (Please forgive my OMNI-potential analogy here. ) The candidates do not run for the president because they know for sure they will get elected. They run to make a stand. Elected or not, they would have at least spoken. IMHO, it is not making any TB statement by silencing SPAM discussion. At least, not in any democratic society. If the TB had tried then the motion failed, that would be fine with me. It seems SPAM forum didn't even get a slim chance.
I seriously doubt there would be any motion regarding SPAM in the near future, content or access-wise. That's just my 2 miles!
I might be wrong. After all the discussion our fellow FTers put into where our SPAM forum is heading?, TB had spoken. They are quite comfortable with the status quo of SPAM by voting to table the discussion of S.P.A.M. I recalled reading posts that TB is not interested in a potential motion that wouldn't pass at all.
I am not saying I understand nor agree with that logic, especially when I know for sure not every TB motion got passed. My thinking is like this. (Please forgive my OMNI-potential analogy here. ) The candidates do not run for the president because they know for sure they will get elected. They run to make a stand. Elected or not, they would have at least spoken. IMHO, it is not making any TB statement by silencing SPAM discussion. At least, not in any democratic society. If the TB had tried then the motion failed, that would be fine with me. It seems SPAM forum didn't even get a slim chance.
I seriously doubt there would be any motion regarding SPAM in the near future, content or access-wise. That's just my 2 miles!
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It was not our intent....or, speaking for myself....my intent to silence the public discussion on the SPAM forum.
With this new thread, there are now three open, recent threads discussing SPAM. And anyone can add to these threads at anytime.
The purpose of the tabling motion was to state that TB had no intention at this time in changing the structure of SPAM.
We were tabling our internal discussion on the matter and wanted to let all interested parties know that no immediate changes would be forthcoming.
This matter may again be visited next week, next month or next year. Or never.
But we didn’t want anyone holding their breath and turning blue while wondering where the TB stood on the issue.
I don’t speak for the TB in an official manner so others may want to add their own comments.
With this new thread, there are now three open, recent threads discussing SPAM. And anyone can add to these threads at anytime.
The purpose of the tabling motion was to state that TB had no intention at this time in changing the structure of SPAM.
We were tabling our internal discussion on the matter and wanted to let all interested parties know that no immediate changes would be forthcoming.
This matter may again be visited next week, next month or next year. Or never.
But we didn’t want anyone holding their breath and turning blue while wondering where the TB stood on the issue.
I don’t speak for the TB in an official manner so others may want to add their own comments.
#4
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I totally agree with you that FT shouldn't turn into FW or SD. However, I saw it coming when TB voted to table the discussion.
I might be wrong. After all the discussion our fellow FTers put into where our SPAM forum is heading?, TB had spoken. They are quite comfortable with the status quo of SPAM by voting to table the discussion of S.P.A.M. I recalled reading posts that TB is not interested in a potential motion that wouldn't pass at all.
I am not saying I understand nor agree with that logic, especially when I know for sure not every TB motion got passed. My thinking is like this. (Please forgive my OMNI-potential analogy here. ) The candidates do not run for the president because they know for sure they will get elected. They run to make a stand. Elected or not, they would have at least spoken. IMHO, it is not making any TB statement by silencing SPAM discussion. At least, not in any democratic society. If the TB had tried then the motion failed, that would be fine with me. It seems SPAM forum didn't even get a slim chance.
I seriously doubt there would be any motion regarding SPAM in the near future, content or access-wise. That's just my 2 miles!
I might be wrong. After all the discussion our fellow FTers put into where our SPAM forum is heading?, TB had spoken. They are quite comfortable with the status quo of SPAM by voting to table the discussion of S.P.A.M. I recalled reading posts that TB is not interested in a potential motion that wouldn't pass at all.
I am not saying I understand nor agree with that logic, especially when I know for sure not every TB motion got passed. My thinking is like this. (Please forgive my OMNI-potential analogy here. ) The candidates do not run for the president because they know for sure they will get elected. They run to make a stand. Elected or not, they would have at least spoken. IMHO, it is not making any TB statement by silencing SPAM discussion. At least, not in any democratic society. If the TB had tried then the motion failed, that would be fine with me. It seems SPAM forum didn't even get a slim chance.
I seriously doubt there would be any motion regarding SPAM in the near future, content or access-wise. That's just my 2 miles!
Once the TB decided that it was perfectly fine that S.P.A.M. not abide by it's stated name and description I was having a really fun time on the new and undefined S.P.A.M. until....
If the policy is 'it is what it is' then why should anyone be surprised when it becomes what it becomes? The race to the bottom has begun!
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Alas, nature abhors a vaccuum.
Once the TB decided that it was perfectly fine that S.P.A.M. not abide by it's stated name and description I was having a really fun time on the new and undefined S.P.A.M. until....
If the policy is 'it is what it is' then why should anyone be surprised when it becomes what it becomes? The race to the bottom has begun!
Once the TB decided that it was perfectly fine that S.P.A.M. not abide by it's stated name and description I was having a really fun time on the new and undefined S.P.A.M. until....
If the policy is 'it is what it is' then why should anyone be surprised when it becomes what it becomes? The race to the bottom has begun!
#6
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I'm one of the ones who thought the forum was ok how it was, but now, there are at least two FTers who have no posts outside of S.P.A.M., and who are soliciting My Coke Rewards codes. The same sort of thing happened, but in higher quantities, on the Best Buy Police pre-sale codes thread, to the extent that the thread was locked. The more people I notice not participating, other than in S.P.A.M., the more I think it should have a restriction, or we should do away with the freebies.
I have learned that the SPAM and Coupon Connection forum "regular visitors" have their own way of "moderating" those who visit their community....
Not sure we need to have more restrictions than we currently have.
#7
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I am not sure why this is a problem. We have members who almost solely post in the UA forum, or the Starwood Forum, or the OMNI forum. FT is many things to different people. While I personally would like to see them add value in multiple forums, that is their choice.
I have learned that the SPAM and Coupon Connection forum "regular visitors" have their own way of "moderating" those who visit their community....
Not sure we need to have more restrictions than we currently have.
I have learned that the SPAM and Coupon Connection forum "regular visitors" have their own way of "moderating" those who visit their community....
Not sure we need to have more restrictions than we currently have.
Once CC went to being restricted FT got rid of alot of people who were simply interestedin buying or selling stuff, and at times yep ripping off FT members. Im sure if SPAM went this way then those who post only there will simply go back to FW or SD, as they arent really interested in what FT is about at all.
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the difference is that SPAM is not really about Miles or Points or anything with Travel. CC is most certainly about Travel. SPAM was set up as a way to cleanse that stuff out of the reg Forums,as an additional venue for FT members, sort of like OMNI. In Addition to , and not Solely for.
Once CC went to being restricted FT got rid of alot of people who were simply interestedin buying or selling stuff, and at times yep ripping off FT members. Im sure if SPAM went this way then those who post only there will simply go back to FW or SD, as they arent really interested in what FT is about at all.
Once CC went to being restricted FT got rid of alot of people who were simply interestedin buying or selling stuff, and at times yep ripping off FT members. Im sure if SPAM went this way then those who post only there will simply go back to FW or SD, as they arent really interested in what FT is about at all.
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Over my objection, for the record. mw
Over my objection, for the record. mw
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... SPAM was set up as a way to cleanse that stuff out of the reg Forums, as an additional venue for FT members, sort of like OMNI. In Addition to , and not Solely for.
Once CC went to being restricted FT got rid of alot of people who were simply interestedin buying or selling stuff, and at times yep ripping off FT members. Im sure if SPAM went this way then those who post only there will simply go back to FW or SD, as they arent really interested in what FT is about at all.
Once CC went to being restricted FT got rid of alot of people who were simply interestedin buying or selling stuff, and at times yep ripping off FT members. Im sure if SPAM went this way then those who post only there will simply go back to FW or SD, as they arent really interested in what FT is about at all.
I would think this would be a more than welcome change of current SPAM. True FTers may love freebies. However, freebie lovers (or freebie onlookers/"pirates") are not necessarily true FTers.
I wouldn't mind at all to take away the "bones" from those who AREN'T one of us. Turning SPAM into one of the ""secret" fora, such as CC and OMNI, might be a good way to go.
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In my opinion, this is a solution in search of a problem.
Other TalkBoard members may feel differently.
Other TalkBoard members may feel differently.
#13
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I keep seeing much agonizing over problems with the S.P.A.M. forum... if it's not serving it's purpose anymore, why not simply close it?
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In other words, I don't see a problem. Other TalkBoard members may feel differently.
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Very true; unreasonable volume from few vectors. I neglected to consider that fully.