mmxbreaks

Seems stingy... Does it not hit the mileage travelled threshold to reward 80TP ew?

madfish

There are a few anomalies around those flights that are marginal. Somexwarn 80TPs whereas others that are slightly longer only earn 40.

Cymro

There isn't a formal threshold - it's ever so slightly shorter than LHR-HEL, though, which is one of the shortest 80TP routes, if not the shortest.

I seem to recall that new routes tend to go in at 40 TP and then can be revised upwards after the demand position settles down - I seem to recall that LHR-KEF (which is 60 miles further than HEL) was initially 40 TP and then 'upgraded' at some point. It's possible that the same will happen with TLL, though it's far from clear-cut given the relatively short flight. LGW-CFU, for instance, is longer than any of the above but is only a 40 TP route...

madfish

Also worth taking a look at this thread for more discussion on SH+

New LHR routes for Summer 2017

corporate-wage-slave

Second shortest, ALG is only 1012 miles, HEL (from MAN) is 1129. TLL is 1126, KEF is 1180. GIB is 1085 and 40 TPs. This is on gcmap.com mileages.

Here is an updated list from one I've posted before, here using BA mileages:

ALG = 1041 miles = 80 Tier Points
AGP = 1052 = 40 TPs
DBV = 1067 = 40 TPs
FAO = 1076 = 40 TPs
GIB = 1100 = 40 TPs
TLL = 1106 = 40 TPs (at the moment, new route)
PMO = 1128 = 40 TPs
HEL = 1129 = 80 TPs (MAN)
HEL = 1134 = 80 TPs (LHR)
BDS = 1139 = 40 TPs (new route)
KEF = 1178 = 80 TPs
TIA = 1180 = 80 TPs
CTA = 1228 = 80 TPs
MLA = 1280 = 80 TPs
RAK = 1407 = 80 TPs
JSI = 1416 = 40 TPs (new route, can't be right)
FNC = 1525 = 80 TPs
DME = 1558 = 140 TPs (Club World)
PFO = 1990 = 80 TPs
LCA = 2022 = 80 TPs
CAI = 2187 = 140 TPs (Club World)
SSH = 2419 = 80 TPs (route suspended)

There are a lot more destinations with higher TPs, basically anywhere in South East Europe below Tirana, and including all of Greece and Turkey, North Africa and the Canaries. As you can see TLL is going to be arguable both ways but along with JSI it may not have been properly considered. Some of the Manchester routes are going to be interesting but some of them have been correctly set up already (MAN-JMK=80 TPs).

New Routes: You are right that both KEF and FNC both initially showed 40 TPs and were corrected to 80 TPs before flights started. CTA started on 40 TPs and a few months later it went to 80 TPs, previous travel wasn't retroactively credited. CTA is interesting as the only Italian location on 80 TPs, Palermo, the other side of the hill, remains 40 TPs. So those places marked as New Routes above may be reconsidered later on.

a mirrer

One of the other anamolies is lhr-lca which according to the ba calculator is 2022 miles but only earns 80 tp

corporate-wage-slave

when compared to DME, which is 1558 miles and earns 140 TPs.

madfish

When looking at TPs per route should we also consider the fare as well as aircraft type?

corporate-wage-slave

Pragmatically yes, though it's more strategic than fares. Cairo and Moscow are of course Club World products. SSH was Club "Europe", HEL had a quirk in the Finnair frequent flyer programme that meant that if BA didn't offer 80 TPs it would be well out of kilter to AY's programme, and there's heavy codesharing going on there. And few people appreciate that Algeria is nearer to London than the Costa del Sol.

But formally it is distance that counts. Fares to Malta and Cyprus are often lower than Gibraltar for example.

KARFA

Yes, at 1134 miles LHR-HEL is the shortest LHR route with 80 TPs. There are two exLHR routes longer than LHR-TLL which get 40 TPs, so LHR-TLL is by no means the longest non short short haul + route.

wanderingjock

sorry, have i missed something? Im going lhr hel tll rtn at the very end april. Mmb says 200 tp. Has something changed?

KARFA

LHR-HEL gets 80 in J. LHR-TLL (direct) gets 40 in J. LHR-HEL-TLL gets 200 as a return.

wanderingjock

thanks Karfa! Understood and also understand the problen that can cause.

PS the bacon loin in parsley sauce was really excellent in the t5 lounge today! Yum.

mmxbreaks

So I had to change that exact 200TP route, at the cost of £90, only to end up with 80TP ttl rather than the 160TP I had anticipated.

Oh well!

KARFA

You changed from the route via HEL to the direct BA flight?