Routing rule now that India & Middle East are separate regions
Feb 23, 2017, 7:41 pm
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Routing rule now that India & Middle East are separate regions
Since the separation of the Middle East and Indian Subcontinent, are the routing rule(s) for award travel through these regions changed?
Specifically, can award travel be booked for Asia regions to India on QR or EY (through the Middle East)?
Specifically, can award travel be booked for Asia regions to India on QR or EY (through the Middle East)?
Feb 23, 2017, 8:16 pm
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No. And there is no reason why the region split would allow you to go the long way. India-E.Asia via ME doesn't make sense.
The only thing that has changed is that you can now do US-India on CX.
The only thing that has changed is that you can now do US-India on CX.
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Feb 23, 2017, 8:29 pm
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No. And there is no reason why the region split would allow you to go the wrong way around.
the only thing that has changed is that you can now do US-India on CX. India is almost exactly on the opposite side of the world so that makes sense, but US-Asia via ME doesn't make sense.
the only thing that has changed is that you can now do US-India on CX. India is almost exactly on the opposite side of the world so that makes sense, but US-Asia via ME doesn't make sense.
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AA's routing award rules are mostly arbitrary bovine excrement. Must be a paid routing available for sale? Can't transit Peru to go to Chile? Have to say "Mother May I"? All just mostly arbitrary.
Feb 23, 2017, 8:38 pm
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The rules are hardly randon
Generally comes down to
(1) cannot transit a 3rd region unless listed as a specific exception (using region definitions before the split of middle east/india )
and
(2) routing must be valid for a normal paid ticket of the governing carrier
Sometimes the system will also allow routings that do not completely meet (2) , but these are hardly aribtrary rules
Generally comes down to
(1) cannot transit a 3rd region unless listed as a specific exception (using region definitions before the split of middle east/india )
and
(2) routing must be valid for a normal paid ticket of the governing carrier
Sometimes the system will also allow routings that do not completely meet (2) , but these are hardly aribtrary rules
Feb 23, 2017, 10:08 pm
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If they aren't purely arbitrary, why could US issue oneworld partner tickets that totally flew in the face of those rules AA enforced?
I would say there's no particular technical reason for AA's rules, merely arbitrary ones of "because we said so". There is no real reason why a routing from the East Coast of the US to Indonesia is OK to go through LAX and Tokyo but not Doha (less distance) than "well, because we SAID so, those are the rules".
I would say there's no particular technical reason for AA's rules, merely arbitrary ones of "because we said so". There is no real reason why a routing from the East Coast of the US to Indonesia is OK to go through LAX and Tokyo but not Doha (less distance) than "well, because we SAID so, those are the rules".
Feb 23, 2017, 10:21 pm
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The obviousness of the change is that a 3rd region comes into play, but I have seen any specific notification as to how the separation effects routing in all circumstances. Without specific notifications, the default 3rd region would be in play, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
The other part of your post has been dealt with.
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Feb 23, 2017, 10:31 pm
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Feb 24, 2017, 12:00 am
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If they aren't purely arbitrary, why could US issue oneworld partner tickets that totally flew in the face of those rules AA enforced?
I would say there's no particular technical reason for AA's rules, merely arbitrary ones of "because we said so". There is no real reason why a routing from the East Coast of the US to Indonesia is OK to go through LAX and Tokyo but not Doha (less distance) than "well, because we SAID so, those are the rules".
I would say there's no particular technical reason for AA's rules, merely arbitrary ones of "because we said so". There is no real reason why a routing from the East Coast of the US to Indonesia is OK to go through LAX and Tokyo but not Doha (less distance) than "well, because we SAID so, those are the rules".
As far as the orginal question goes, I would be surprised if it was no longer permitted since the region exception rules still , to best of my knowledge, act as they did before region split.
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Feb 24, 2017, 7:05 am
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Coming back I flew CMB-HKG-LAX-AUS on one award on UL, CX and AA respectively.
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My understanding is that, for 3rd region transit purposes, India & ME should still be considered as the same region. AFAIK, AA's computers still treat it that way.
India and ME were split when AA decided to allow a US to India award connect in HKG. They were fine with letting someone fly LAX-HKG-DEL, for example, but didn't want to also allow JFK-HKG-DXB. Also, now that UL is in oneworld, it makes more sense to have Sri Lanka as part of India compared to Asia 2, where it was before.
India and ME were split when AA decided to allow a US to India award connect in HKG. They were fine with letting someone fly LAX-HKG-DEL, for example, but didn't want to also allow JFK-HKG-DXB. Also, now that UL is in oneworld, it makes more sense to have Sri Lanka as part of India compared to Asia 2, where it was before.