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Old Feb 20, 2017, 2:33 pm
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Lapsed screening at JFK

TSA allows 11 JFK passengers to walk through security checkpoint without being screened; so far, all planes are safe!

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2977418
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Old Feb 20, 2017, 2:36 pm
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11 passngers get through checkpoints at JFK without screening

Eleven passengers walked through a security lane without being screened at Kennedy Airport early Monday because the TSA left the area open and unattended, law enforcement sources said.
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I've also heard the number that got through was 17. Three passengers are headed to California where, according to TSA, they will be screened upon arrival. I certainly hope they refuse.
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Old Feb 20, 2017, 2:56 pm
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I certainly hope they refuse.
That will certainly go well for them. Couple of minutes of screening is certainly better than being detained for several hours.

But we definitely need more stories of TSA incompetence and hopefully they finally reform or get rid of it.
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Old Feb 20, 2017, 3:05 pm
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That will certainly go well for them. Couple of minutes of screening is certainly better than being detained for several hours.

But we definitely need more stories of TSA incompetence and hopefully they finally reform or get rid of it.
People have refused screening upon landing in the past and were not penalized.
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Old Feb 20, 2017, 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Explorer789
That will certainly go well for them. Couple of minutes of screening is certainly better than being detained for several hours.
Under what authority can TSA detain anyone?
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Old Feb 20, 2017, 5:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Explorer789
That will certainly go well for them. Couple of minutes of screening is certainly better than being detained for several hours.

But we definitely need more stories of TSA incompetence and hopefully they finally reform or get rid of it.
While I don't disagree entirely with your suggestion:

They'll have already reached their destination At such a time, what good would screening them do?
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Old Feb 20, 2017, 6:33 pm
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That will certainly go well for them. Couple of minutes of screening is certainly better than being detained for several hours.

But we definitely need more stories of TSA incompetence and hopefully they finally reform or get rid of it.
Unless they are continuing by air why should they submit to screening after completing their flight? What could TSA do but escort them out of the sterile area?
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Old Feb 21, 2017, 12:39 am
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Under what authority can TSA detain anyone?
yes, they will have to be detained. If they landed, TSA will wait for them at the gates and they will be re-screened again.
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Old Feb 21, 2017, 1:58 pm
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Unless they are continuing by air why should they submit to screening after completing their flight? What could TSA do but escort them out of the sterile area?
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yes, they will have to be detained. If they landed, TSA will wait for them at the gates and they will be re-screened again.
Yep -- the TSA themselves state that you will be escorted from airside if you refuse to be screened. This almost always happened at airports where international arrivals was inside the secure terminal. They were making people be re-screened just to leave the airport. At least one intrepid FTer refused once (PIT???) The TSA employees didn't know what to do with the guy and they finally called a cop to escort him through the terminal.

If anyone wanted to rescreen me at my final destination airport, you can bet the house that there is no way I would allow myself to be rescreened.

Then, there is this famous video documentary, complete with TSA "swarming:"

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Old Feb 22, 2017, 10:56 am
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It does sound stupid because the person has already arrived but there are a couple of things going on here.

1. The legal aspect is that a person may not be in a sterile area or board a plane without having been screened. An unscreened pax is in violation upon being in the sterile area of the arrival airport.

2. The security aspect for the arrival airport is that an unscreened person could be in possession of a prohibited item and either use it in the sterile area or pass it to someone else.

I am not sure what the criminal charge might be such a situation but the TSA can impose hefty civil fines (and run up a person's legal bills.....) and certainly affect someone's standing on various lists.
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Old Feb 22, 2017, 5:19 pm
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It does sound stupid because the person has already arrived but there are a couple of things going on here.

1. The legal aspect is that a person may not be in a sterile area or board a plane without having been screened. An unscreened pax is in violation upon being in the sterile area of the arrival airport.

2. The security aspect for the arrival airport is that an unscreened person could be in possession of a prohibited item and either use it in the sterile area or pass it to someone else.

I am not sure what the criminal charge might be such a situation but the TSA can impose hefty civil fines (and run up a person's legal bills.....) and certainly affect someone's standing on various lists.
Ask master behavior detection screener <deleted> at Manchester (MHT) about that, it did not work out so well for her when she tried that against me.

Case was assigned to supervisor TSI <deleted> and it went nowhere.

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Old Feb 22, 2017, 5:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Section 107
It does sound stupid because the person has already arrived but there are a couple of things going on here.

1. The legal aspect is that a person may not be in a sterile area or board a plane without having been screened. An unscreened pax is in violation upon being in the sterile area of the arrival airport.

2. The security aspect for the arrival airport is that an unscreened person could be in possession of a prohibited item and either use it in the sterile area or pass it to someone else.

I am not sure what the criminal charge might be such a situation but the TSA can impose hefty civil fines (and run up a person's legal bills.....) and certainly affect someone's standing on various lists.
That is correct. If you breaking the rules from TSA. If you breach security, you would not able to fly. You will be arrested for trespassing charges. You cannot go through security without being screened. You have stay at security, when you cross the security, and once you will be cleared at TSA checkpoints, and then they will let you fly.
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Old Feb 23, 2017, 7:33 am
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The TSA said it was “confident” the incident represented “no threat to the aviation transportation system.”

In other words TSA screening provides the same level of protection as absolutely no screening whatsoever.
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Old Feb 24, 2017, 7:41 am
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New York Post editorial. No question that some firings should happen. Where was the TSM for that terminal?

http://nypost.com/2017/02/23/if-the-...-fire-the-tsa/

Private-sector workers who mess up so badly as to put lives in jeopardy would be gone in a heartbeat. Heck, they’d be fired for far less serious breaches.

Somewhere along the road to making America great again, Mr. President, how about privatizing the damn TSA to end all the maddening “security theater”?
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