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DL/KE current flights between ICN and North America:
Update from Delta News Hub (28MARCH17):
http://news.delta.com/delta-and-kore...nd-partnership
Will this mean a move from Group 4 partner to Group 1? Delta SkyMiles PR rep says:
"... the details youre looking for will be figured out further down the road"
Further from the Delta press release on the date of the JV agreement being signed, 6/23/17:
Delta and Korean Air will lay the groundwork for implementing all aspects of the joint venture, subject to regulatory approvals, including:
It cited no date for the enhanced FF benefits to be effective.
New Delta SkyMiles mileage earn chart, including MQMs and MQDs, for Korean Air flights effective May 1, 2018. See posts #566 and #567 for details.
Update from Delta News Hub (28MARCH17):
http://news.delta.com/delta-and-kore...nd-partnership
Will this mean a move from Group 4 partner to Group 1? Delta SkyMiles PR rep says:
"... the details youre looking for will be figured out further down the road"
Further from the Delta press release on the date of the JV agreement being signed, 6/23/17:
Delta and Korean Air will lay the groundwork for implementing all aspects of the joint venture, subject to regulatory approvals, including:
- Expanded codesharing in the trans-Pacific market
- Joint sales and marketing initiatives in Asia and the United States
- Colocation at key hubs with seamless passenger and baggage transit experience
- Enhanced frequent flyer benefits, providing customers of both airlines the ability to earn and redeem miles on Delta's SkyMiles and Korean Air's SKYPASS programs
- Increased belly cargo cooperation across the trans-Pacific
- Under the agreement, the airlines will also share costs and revenues on flights within the scope of the joint venture as they work to expand service options for travelers.
- Increased belly cargo cooperation across the trans-Pacific
- Enhanced frequent flyer benefits, providing customers of both airlines the ability to earn and redeem miles on Delta's SkyMiles and Korean Air's SKYPASS programs
- Colocation at key hubs with seamless passenger and baggage transit experience
- Joint sales and marketing initiatives in Asia and the United States
It cited no date for the enhanced FF benefits to be effective.
New Delta SkyMiles mileage earn chart, including MQMs and MQDs, for Korean Air flights effective May 1, 2018. See posts #566 and #567 for details.
Joint Venture Between Korean Air and Delta Announced Effective as of May 1, 2018
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Joint Venture Between Korean Air and Delta Announced Effective as of May 1, 2018
http://www.koreaittimes.com/story/40...ade-securities
"The second reason has to do with the fact that Korean Air is expanding its business in Europe by acquiring CSA Czech Airlines while establishing a joint venture in partnership with Delta Airlines in the Americas."
Is joint venture far off?
How would this affect DL's NRT hub?
How would this affect KE's ICN hub?
In doing so id imagine PDX/MSP-NRT would be moved to PDX/MSP-ICN.
"The second reason has to do with the fact that Korean Air is expanding its business in Europe by acquiring CSA Czech Airlines while establishing a joint venture in partnership with Delta Airlines in the Americas."
Is joint venture far off?
How would this affect DL's NRT hub?
How would this affect KE's ICN hub?
In doing so id imagine PDX/MSP-NRT would be moved to PDX/MSP-ICN.
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Remember that DL has JVs with AF, KL and VS, and CDG, AMS and LHR form a triangle with no point more than 400 miles away from another.
I can see a DL/KE JV serving Japan from ICN much like KL serves the UK from AMS, with small aircraft serving pretty much all the regional airports in the country.
I don't think this affects DL's Tokyo direct service from the USA.
I can see a DL/KE JV serving Japan from ICN much like KL serves the UK from AMS, with small aircraft serving pretty much all the regional airports in the country.
I don't think this affects DL's Tokyo direct service from the USA.
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Of course. I would be shocked if KE doesn't become a Group 1 partner the moment a joint venture is approved. In fact, I thought the general impression was that DL slashed the earnings on KE in retribution for KE's unwillingness to enter a joint venture. In fact, I would hope that true frequent flyer reciprocity, including MQDs, would be a condition of the metal neutrality portion of DOT's approval. This would be the first new joint venture approval since MQDs were instituted, right? I can dream....
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Needs to happen already. It would make SkyTeam very formidable in East Asia in spite of the lack of a Japanese carrier.
Imagine if SkyTeam can have fully linked hubs in Shanghai, Tokyo, Taipei and Seoul that connect to all parts of the world.
Imagine if SkyTeam can have fully linked hubs in Shanghai, Tokyo, Taipei and Seoul that connect to all parts of the world.
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It would mean the end of DL's NRT-Asia interport flights - so probably no more DL metal to BKK, SIN, and MNL. Those three destinations are unlikely to be served nonstop from the US anytime soon, and it would be more economical for DL to have KE fly pax beyond ICN to BKK/SIN/MNL....similar to what UA has done with BKK (stop flying there with their own metal and use NH through their JV).
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But DL and AS do not (and probably never will absent a merger, as I can't see the DOT approving antitrust immunity for two domestic competitors other than through a merger -- joint ventures are just a legal fiction to allow pseudo-mergers between carriers that can't merge due to foreign ownership rules) share revenue in the joint venture sense -- only through normal code sharing and interline agreements. DL has made it clear that revenue sharing partners are the ones they really care about. They view themselves as too big and important to worry about lesser carriers who don't share revenue.
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It would mean the end of DL's NRT-Asia interport flights - so probably no more DL metal to BKK, SIN, and MNL. Those three destinations are unlikely to be served nonstop from the US anytime soon, and it would be more economical for DL to have KE fly pax beyond ICN to BKK/SIN/MNL....similar to what UA has done with BKK (stop flying there with their own metal and use NH through their JV).
Unless KE can fly people from NRT to SIN/BKK/MNL directly, it still makes sense to keep them around or replace with them with a route from SEA/LAX/wherever.
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Double post.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/korea...l#post23602970
Previous rumor.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/korea...ure-rumor.html
It was rumored to materialize in first half of 2014.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/korea...l#post23602970
Previous rumor.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/korea...ure-rumor.html
It was rumored to materialize in first half of 2014.
Last edited by TerryK; Sep 30, 2014 at 5:10 am
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I'm not sure that a JV would be so good for FFers, even if it puts KE into Group 1 status with DL for full MQM and RDM earning.
The problem is all the DL award blackout dates and the FULL Y requirement for using DL miles to upgrade KE flights under the SkyTeam Upgrade Award program, where blackout dates also apply.
To alleviate this, we would need to be able to use miles and other upgrade instruments such as GUCs for KE flights with reasonable fare class restrictions and reasonable availability.
The problem is all the DL award blackout dates and the FULL Y requirement for using DL miles to upgrade KE flights under the SkyTeam Upgrade Award program, where blackout dates also apply.
To alleviate this, we would need to be able to use miles and other upgrade instruments such as GUCs for KE flights with reasonable fare class restrictions and reasonable availability.
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http://www.koreaittimes.com/story/40...ade-securities
"The second reason has to do with the fact that Korean Air is expanding its business in Europe by acquiring CSA Czech Airlines while establishing a joint venture in partnership with Delta Airlines in the Americas."
Is joint venture far off?
How would this affect DL's NRT hub?
How would this affect KE's ICN hub?
In doing so id imagine PDX/MSP-NRT would be moved to PDX/MSP-ICN.
"The second reason has to do with the fact that Korean Air is expanding its business in Europe by acquiring CSA Czech Airlines while establishing a joint venture in partnership with Delta Airlines in the Americas."
Is joint venture far off?
How would this affect DL's NRT hub?
How would this affect KE's ICN hub?
In doing so id imagine PDX/MSP-NRT would be moved to PDX/MSP-ICN.
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I'm not sure that a JV would be so good for FFers, even if it puts KE into Group 1 status with DL for full MQM and RDM earning.
The problem is all the DL award blackout dates and the FULL Y requirement for using DL miles to upgrade KE flights under the SkyTeam Upgrade Award program, where blackout dates also apply.
To alleviate this, we would need to be able to use miles and other upgrade instruments such as GUCs for KE flights with reasonable fare class restrictions and reasonable availability.
The problem is all the DL award blackout dates and the FULL Y requirement for using DL miles to upgrade KE flights under the SkyTeam Upgrade Award program, where blackout dates also apply.
To alleviate this, we would need to be able to use miles and other upgrade instruments such as GUCs for KE flights with reasonable fare class restrictions and reasonable availability.
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