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Nov 5, 2002, 1:10 pm
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One take off and landing on a flight with the same flight number**
** Exception 1: "Direct flights" are flights that make a stop en route, but you don't get off of the plane. The aircraft carries the same flight number. Direct flights count as a single segment for frequent flyer purposes. i.e. Flight 123 goes from LGA to PHL and continues on to BWI. You fly LGA to BWI and you only receive 1 segment credit.
** Exception 2: "Direct flights with a change of planes" are really connections in disguise. These are usually found on international flights. i.e. Flight 678 goes from LGA to PHL and on to Madrid. Is the 100 seat plane out of LGA the one that continues on to Madrid?? No. You have to transfer. However, for frequent flyer purposes, it appears you only take a single flight from LGA through to Madrid.
** Exception 1: "Direct flights" are flights that make a stop en route, but you don't get off of the plane. The aircraft carries the same flight number. Direct flights count as a single segment for frequent flyer purposes. i.e. Flight 123 goes from LGA to PHL and continues on to BWI. You fly LGA to BWI and you only receive 1 segment credit.
** Exception 2: "Direct flights with a change of planes" are really connections in disguise. These are usually found on international flights. i.e. Flight 678 goes from LGA to PHL and on to Madrid. Is the 100 seat plane out of LGA the one that continues on to Madrid?? No. You have to transfer. However, for frequent flyer purposes, it appears you only take a single flight from LGA through to Madrid.
Nov 5, 2002, 1:12 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by cheryl wagner:
New to this, what is a segment?</font>
New to this, what is a segment?</font>
Nov 5, 2002, 2:41 pm
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I tend to avoid "direct" flights whenever possible. Too often they turn suddenly into "direct with change of plane" which turns into "the continuation of our flight will be delayed while we wait for the plane to arrive from Cedar Rapids."
Cheryl's question wasn't out of order at all...
Cheryl's question wasn't out of order at all...
Nov 5, 2002, 2:47 pm
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Whoa! Thought I was on the United board for a sec.
Cheryl --Welcome to FT and don't let these guys get you down
Viero Joven's explanation is good and the thing you should be really careful of when dealing with segments... an esp. notorious flight is UA 853 JFK-SFO-NRT-PEK. 1 segment -- change of aircraft in both SFO and NRT, only one segment credit. Awful, eh?
Worse, you only get the direct mileage as if it were nonstop JFK-PEK. Brutal.
pdhenry -- even worse is when you're on the first leg and it's running late, in spite of it being a direct flight, the second leg will leave without you.
Cheryl --Welcome to FT and don't let these guys get you down
Viero Joven's explanation is good and the thing you should be really careful of when dealing with segments... an esp. notorious flight is UA 853 JFK-SFO-NRT-PEK. 1 segment -- change of aircraft in both SFO and NRT, only one segment credit. Awful, eh?
Worse, you only get the direct mileage as if it were nonstop JFK-PEK. Brutal.
pdhenry -- even worse is when you're on the first leg and it's running late, in spite of it being a direct flight, the second leg will leave without you.
Nov 5, 2002, 2:56 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by kv99:
pdhenry -- even worse is when you're on the first leg and it's running late, in spite of it being a direct flight, the second leg will leave without you. </font>
pdhenry -- even worse is when you're on the first leg and it's running late, in spite of it being a direct flight, the second leg will leave without you. </font>
Nov 5, 2002, 3:17 pm
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I was just joking around, but I guess this is not the forum to be asking questions that can be found by surfing the US website for 30 seconds.
Will anyone want to read the board if the new posts are all like, "what's an upgrade?" If someone didn't know the difference between G and F class, that's another matter. (Which also can be found by searching the threads here)
Sorry if I came across a bit too hard.
Will anyone want to read the board if the new posts are all like, "what's an upgrade?" If someone didn't know the difference between G and F class, that's another matter. (Which also can be found by searching the threads here)
Sorry if I came across a bit too hard.
Nov 5, 2002, 7:50 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by nawlinsdoc:
I was just joking around, but I guess this is not the forum to be asking questions that can be found by surfing the US website for 30 seconds.
Will anyone want to read the board if the new posts are all like, "what's an upgrade?" If someone didn't know the difference between G and F class, that's another matter. (Which also can be found by searching the threads here)
Sorry if I came across a bit too hard.</font>
I was just joking around, but I guess this is not the forum to be asking questions that can be found by surfing the US website for 30 seconds.
Will anyone want to read the board if the new posts are all like, "what's an upgrade?" If someone didn't know the difference between G and F class, that's another matter. (Which also can be found by searching the threads here)
Sorry if I came across a bit too hard.</font>
I just did a search under "segment." While there are a gallion threads with the words segment in it, it's nearly impossible to find THE thread that defines it.
What's an upgrade? That's also has shades of gray. On UA, an upgrade is often from E- to E+. Paid or miles? Opperational? Not all black and white here.
Nov 5, 2002, 8:36 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by zrs70:
I just did a search under "segment." While there are a gallion threads with the words segment in it, it's nearly impossible to find THE thread that defines it.
What's an upgrade? That's also has shades of gray. On UA, an upgrade is often from E- to E+. Paid or miles? Opperational? Not all black and white here.</font>
I just did a search under "segment." While there are a gallion threads with the words segment in it, it's nearly impossible to find THE thread that defines it.
What's an upgrade? That's also has shades of gray. On UA, an upgrade is often from E- to E+. Paid or miles? Opperational? Not all black and white here.</font>
Jeez.
Nov 5, 2002, 8:57 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gnaget:
Yeah, but then you get your extra segment credit.</font>
Yeah, but then you get your extra segment credit.</font>
Then you don't really give a **** about the extra segment credit because you have to sit in AMS another day. Which would be ok, except that Northworst refuses to pay for a room because the delay was "weather-related."
Guess why I never fly Northwest?
Nov 6, 2002, 6:05 am
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Ummm..shes new, and doesn't know what a segment is. Do you really expect her to understand all the gobble de gook you posted? 
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by kv99:
Viero Joven's explanation is good and the thing you should be really careful of when dealing with segments... an esp. notorious flight is UA 853 JFK-SFO-NRT-PEK. 1 segment -- change of aircraft in both SFO and NRT, only one segment credit. Awful, eh?
Worse, you only get the direct mileage as if it were nonstop JFK-PEK. Brutal.
pdhenry -- even worse is when you're on the first leg and it's running late, in spite of it being a direct flight, the second leg will leave without you. </font>
Viero Joven's explanation is good and the thing you should be really careful of when dealing with segments... an esp. notorious flight is UA 853 JFK-SFO-NRT-PEK. 1 segment -- change of aircraft in both SFO and NRT, only one segment credit. Awful, eh?
Worse, you only get the direct mileage as if it were nonstop JFK-PEK. Brutal.
pdhenry -- even worse is when you're on the first leg and it's running late, in spite of it being a direct flight, the second leg will leave without you. </font>
Nov 6, 2002, 7:46 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by rawbert:
Ummm..shes new, and doesn't know what a segment is. Do you really expect her to understand all the gobble de gook you posted?
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Ummm..shes new, and doesn't know what a segment is. Do you really expect her to understand all the gobble de gook you posted?
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She may be new, but she's probably not dumb.[This message has been edited by kv99 (edited 11-06-2002).]