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Old Sep 20, 2016, 4:00 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
The new mantra in the airline industry seems to be that there is no point in keeping a fleet below a 168-180 seater A320 for regional mainline flying. An A319 is a waste of money when you can use RJs and an A321 is too big and requires extra crew for the routes SAS flies.
Capacity wise there is a very big jump from a CRJ1000/ERJ195 to the A319 already, making that jump to A320 seems to leave some potential for over capacity. But then again SK only ever got 4 A319. Which were conversions of A321 orders when they were facing too much capacity...
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Old Sep 20, 2016, 4:53 am
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Doesn't help reducing opex if you need to maintain different lines. I guess in the end standardizing on 320 and CR9 while accepting sometimes there will be free seats in the airbus and fully sold CR9 flights will in the end be cheaper than to maintain a larger number of different planes (even though A319 and A320 are fairly similar, some parts and maintenance operations are slighty different as far as I know).
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Old Sep 20, 2016, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
Capacity wise there is a very big jump from a CRJ1000/ERJ195 to the A319 already, making that jump to A320 seems to leave some potential for over capacity. But then again SK only ever got 4 A319. Which were conversions of A321 orders when they were facing too much capacity...
Basically the A319 probably couldn't do anything that the B737 couldn't do, and those SK has in abundance.
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Old Sep 20, 2016, 1:00 pm
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Originally Posted by fassy
Doesn't help reducing opex if you need to maintain different lines. I guess in the end standardizing on 320 and CR9 while accepting sometimes there will be free seats in the airbus and fully sold CR9 flights will in the end be cheaper than to maintain a larger number of different planes (even though A319 and A320 are fairly similar, some parts and maintenance operations are slighty different as far as I know).
To accept empty seats vs. handling a more complex fleet can be a point. But there is a tremendous difference capacity wise between a 88 seat CRJ9 and a 186 seat A320. A 140 seat A319 would close the gap.
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Old Sep 20, 2016, 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by ksu
Basically the A319 probably couldn't do anything that the B737 couldn't do, and those SK has in abundance.
Well, yes. It could do the same relative fuelburn reduction from a 737-700 as a 320 neo can do from a 737-800.
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Old Sep 20, 2016, 1:20 pm
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I want A320 on CPH-WAW!!! I am fed up with all these 100% sold out flights, with paying for a PLUS ticket, EBD member, yet being reseated away from a window sit to aisle (I use a window sit for a better nap early morning, I sleep nowhere as well in an aisle seat) and tolerating next to a guy who uses his space under the seat for his bag and keeps his foot and knee in mine. And prices double of those to say CDG (which is much further). Is this really the best SK can do???

(I know, I am day dreaming. WAW-CPH is not a priority, and competition is lower; but also the cost base on CRJs must be higher than on A320)
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Old Sep 20, 2016, 6:56 pm
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Originally Posted by ksu
Basically the A319 probably couldn't do anything that the B737 couldn't do, and those SK has in abundance.
Same could be said for the A320 though.
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Old Sep 21, 2016, 3:26 am
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
Same could be said for the A320 though.
Not really. The A319 have exactly the same number of seats as SAS' most numerous plane type, the 737-700s, i.e. 141 seats. The 320 is larger. And SAS still has a number of smaller 737-600s which are a better fit for many SAS routes.
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Old Sep 21, 2016, 3:35 am
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Originally Posted by wazow
I use a window sit for a better nap early morning, I sleep nowhere as well in an aisle seat
I don't sleep at all on those CR9s (noise)! Luckily, though, we tend to get 320s or 319s to and from GDN (oh, and to/from BHX, too)

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Old Sep 21, 2016, 7:47 am
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Originally Posted by ksu
Not really. The A319 have exactly the same number of seats as SAS' most numerous plane type, the 737-700s, i.e. 141 seats. The 320 is larger. And SAS still has a number of smaller 737-600s which are a better fit for many SAS routes.
And SK also has a high number of 737-800 which is basically the same size as the A320....


Edit: 30 -700 and 29 -800, I think that is fair to call a tie. (based on currently active aircraft)

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Old Sep 21, 2016, 7:50 am
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Originally Posted by AlicorporateUK
I don't sleep at all on those CR9s (noise)! Luckily, though, we tend to get 320s or 319s to and from GDN (oh, and to/from BHX, too)

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If you are towards the front of CRJ it is significantly quieter than an A320. There are probably more quieter seats than there are noisier. Unless you happen to be right next to the engine...
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Old Sep 21, 2016, 8:58 am
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
If you are towards the front of CRJ it is significantly quieter than an A320. There are probably more quieter seats than there are noisier. Unless you happen to be right next to the engine...
Thanks. I normally go for the emergency exit (rows 16/17), which may explain why. I will try one of the seats towards the front tomorrow on my way back home to GDN, with both flights operated by CRJ.

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Old Sep 21, 2016, 9:07 am
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
And SK also has a high number of 737-800 which is basically the same size as the A320....


Edit: 30 -700 and 29 -800, I think that is fair to call a tie. (based on currently active aircraft)
True, but it still is no argument for more A319s
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Old Sep 21, 2016, 9:59 am
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Originally Posted by ksu
True, but it still is no argument for more A319s
It depends which aircraft, the A320’s will replace.

If it is only 737-700’s, that are faced out, the whole jet fleet (except for the few 737-600) at ARN and OSL will be same size. But if it is a mix (or only 737-800) then the flexibility is preserved.

BTW: Haven’t seen anything about face out of 737’s (or A320-familiy) from SAS. Is it 1:1 or will the fleet grow or shrink?

BTW 2: The A320 order from 2011 had an option of additional 11 A320’s. Anything about those?
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Old Sep 21, 2016, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by Tango Alpha
It depends which aircraft, the A320’s will replace.

If it is only 737-700’s, that are faced out, the whole jet fleet (except for the few 737-600) at ARN and OSL will be same size. But if it is a mix (or only 737-800) then the flexibility is preserved.

BTW: Haven’t seen anything about face out of 737’s (or A320-familiy) from SAS. Is it 1:1 or will the fleet grow or shrink?

BTW 2: The A320 order from 2011 had an option of additional 11 A320’s. Anything about those?
The A320neo will replace all (currently 23) B737-600 in addition to a few of the oldest -700 without winglets plus the two oldest A320s that where inherited from Spanair. The current plan is to make ARN and CPH A32x bases while OSL stays B737 exclusive. There will also be additional CRJ900s from CityJet next year...

So to sum it all up the fleet will stay about the same since in regards to number of aircrafts but the total capacity will increase. No news yet about the 11 options though...
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