SAS to face Ryainair at CPH starting in March 2015
May 18, 2015, 10:17 am
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As an otherwise very critical tax payer and the fact I don't agree with the motivations, I can only applaud such actions. The sooner FR goes out of business the better and thankfully the local government will not be sponsoring their activities.
May 18, 2015, 4:41 pm
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If the tax payers are unhappy with the decisions they do get to vote from time to time. In the end I don't think that the subject weighs heavy on neither the city's budget nor the voters' minds.
This former tax payer of Denmark and Copenhagen would also line up behind the decision.
This former tax payer of Denmark and Copenhagen would also line up behind the decision.
May 18, 2015, 4:52 pm
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I don't fly Ryanair, and I avoid such carriers as if they are the plague. And yet I see no good reason for the government to cheerlead for reduced intra-EU competition. Countries and cities (such as the involved one) get the markets the public deserves; and to this end, government shouldn't be encouraging reduced competition for its business.
May 19, 2015, 1:27 am
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Local politics aside, what really happened in the end? How many aircraft did FR station in CPH? How did SK react?
We are about to see how FR is going to come to MUC (slot applications for W15-16 wer just filed) and very curious on how they will manage with the limited slots. MUC has space for new carriers, but during the 4 peak waves FR wouldn't be able to turn around their aircraft in the famous 25-30 min and as a result have bad utilization.
We are about to see how FR is going to come to MUC (slot applications for W15-16 wer just filed) and very curious on how they will manage with the limited slots. MUC has space for new carriers, but during the 4 peak waves FR wouldn't be able to turn around their aircraft in the famous 25-30 min and as a result have bad utilization.
May 19, 2015, 1:37 am
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Adding Ryanair to a market with real airlines isn't increasing competition. I would encourage the abolishing of collective bargaining and trade unions through real competition. I'm not sure why the local Danish government would want to sustain those, given they have proven to be the achilles heel of their partly state-owned incumbent airline.
Unfortunately only LLC's seem to have an appetite to open up new markets as hubs. Having a second real airline add flights from CPH to various markets would do everyone more good than having Ryanair show up. It is only going to cause misery.
Unfortunately only LLC's seem to have an appetite to open up new markets as hubs. Having a second real airline add flights from CPH to various markets would do everyone more good than having Ryanair show up. It is only going to cause misery.
May 19, 2015, 11:07 am
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Local politics aside, what really happened in the end? How many aircraft did FR station in CPH? How did SK react?
We are about to see how FR is going to come to MUC (slot applications for W15-16 wer just filed) and very curious on how they will manage with the limited slots. MUC has space for new carriers, but during the 4 peak waves FR wouldn't be able to turn around their aircraft in the famous 25-30 min and as a result have bad utilization.
We are about to see how FR is going to come to MUC (slot applications for W15-16 wer just filed) and very curious on how they will manage with the limited slots. MUC has space for new carriers, but during the 4 peak waves FR wouldn't be able to turn around their aircraft in the famous 25-30 min and as a result have bad utilization.
May 19, 2015, 1:04 pm
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I, for once, am quite happy that they are here. I don't use them, never did, and do not seriously intend so for the time being, but they do press prices down on my connections with regular airlines. This makes me happy.
May 19, 2015, 1:25 pm
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I passed the budget terminal in CPH on Sunday at 16:00 (arriving on SK984) and we passed 2 FR birds at the terminal (as well as two U2 birds).
So they are certainly flying with more than one plane at the present time.
Svantevit
So they are certainly flying with more than one plane at the present time.
Svantevit
May 21, 2015, 2:10 am
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True - and I may be wrong on the one plane. But for now I believe only one has CPH as a base. I seem to remeber that the DUB route is served with DUB as a base.
Jul 1, 2015, 5:39 pm
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Arbejdsretten (The Labour Law Court) has handed down the ruling. The Danish unions do have the right to implement strikes and blockades against Ryanair in order to get them to negotiate about collective agreements.
Ryanair has cancelled one rotation to Warsaw and announced that they will close the base in Copenhagen. The base is the reason why the court ruled in favour of the unions, once it is closed the unions do not have a case. The ruling in principle covers both Copenhagen and Billund.
Link in Danish
http://mobil.dr.dk/smartphone/#artikel/nyheder/penge/ryanair-aflyser-flyafgange-efter-nederlag-i-arbejdsretten-0
Ryanair has cancelled one rotation to Warsaw and announced that they will close the base in Copenhagen. The base is the reason why the court ruled in favour of the unions, once it is closed the unions do not have a case. The ruling in principle covers both Copenhagen and Billund.
Link in Danish
http://mobil.dr.dk/smartphone/#artikel/nyheder/penge/ryanair-aflyser-flyafgange-efter-nederlag-i-arbejdsretten-0
Jul 2, 2015, 4:17 am
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I'm not sure if this is a good development. It's not as if the unions have done a kickass job in getting SK going as a world leading airline in the last decade. A bit of competition in CPH would actually work pretty good. Together with the Copenhagen authorities banning FR it seems like Denmark is aggressively trying to protect their own flying pride.
@Svantevit: Just that there were 2 birds standing there doesn't mean they're based there. FR also flies birds from other bases to their bases. It's just about where they stand overnight.
@Svantevit: Just that there were 2 birds standing there doesn't mean they're based there. FR also flies birds from other bases to their bases. It's just about where they stand overnight.
Jul 2, 2015, 4:35 am
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I think CPH has all the competition it really needs. Having FR come in to compete isn't going to have any positive impact for anyone on anything.
The competition it could benefit from is other real airlines (not DY or FR) opening long-haul routes to a destination not being NYC.
The competition it could benefit from is other real airlines (not DY or FR) opening long-haul routes to a destination not being NYC.
Jul 2, 2015, 4:49 am
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When EZY got into AMS operating big time from H and M it also had a huge impact on for example KL. KL actually improved its product in general, also because of it (in my humble opinion...) while prices didn't go up significantly (sure, it got different with the paid luggage). I was actually hoping that an FR base at CPH would have the same impact on SK: a wake up call. 
Disagree with DY-competition on long haul. Any competition on Scandinavian airports is welcome for my part. Especially OSL could use some.
Disagree with DY-competition on long haul. Any competition on Scandinavian airports is welcome for my part. Especially OSL could use some.
Jul 2, 2015, 5:20 am
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If you want intra-Europe competition, OSL could do with an airline like Air Berlin. More aggressive pricing for the same economy product (if not better due to free drinks/snack), reliable, little nonsense and opportunity to earn OW points/status.
DY long haul doesn't improve service, doesn't improve product, unreliable, no alliance association, premium service is equally or more expensive than real airlines and destinations like OAK and FLL are questionable. Not the kind of competition that is in your interest.
DY long haul doesn't improve service, doesn't improve product, unreliable, no alliance association, premium service is equally or more expensive than real airlines and destinations like OAK and FLL are questionable. Not the kind of competition that is in your interest.
Jul 2, 2015, 7:15 am
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I'm not sure if this is a good development. It's not as if the unions have done a kickass job in getting SK going as a world leading airline in the last decade. A bit of competition in CPH would actually work pretty good. Together with the Copenhagen authorities banning FR it seems like Denmark is aggressively trying to protect their own flying pride.
@Svantevit: Just that there were 2 birds standing there doesn't mean they're based there. FR also flies birds from other bases to their bases. It's just about where they stand overnight.
@Svantevit: Just that there were 2 birds standing there doesn't mean they're based there. FR also flies birds from other bases to their bases. It's just about where they stand overnight.