What the guys don't seem to get is that we don't intend to sell our prizes on ebay. I have played games I actually enjoy- without any assistance other than "honey- can you figure this out?"
From that- I have added enough miles to 2 ff accounts ( before the limits) to get a free ticket to Hawaii with hubby, and me on my dream research trip. I would be taking the hubby on the later IF NOT FOR THE CREEPS WHO BRAG ABOUT CHEATING AND ONLY CARE ABOUT THE $$$ THEY CAN GET OFF EBAY.
(the rent a woman comment had me snickering in a very unladylike fashion, I admit)
Same thing I tell my students- that unfortunately there are people in the world who don't give a S**t about anyone else, its all me me me me. Morals? Ethics? How did that moderator put it? Oh- for the "suckers".
Go ahead. Be jerks. Reminds me of the South Park episode where the guy was killing other players' characters on WOW. Lovely individual. So attractive.
I tried to read the other forum, but felt like I needed a shower afterward. Ick. I am married to a bad-boy, (once he changes out of his suit). His quote- "lowlife."
And of course there is a difference between abusing the TOS for Live Seach Club, and actually committing fraud.
Using Bots - just a TOS issue really. If LSC doesn't like it, then they'll ban.
Modifying Headers - Fraud. Points/LSC could legally do something.
Getting Prizes and 'returning' them back to merchants? - Fraud. That's probably the type of fraud most likely to be investigated by police.
... you're a kid, thinking like a kid. Not to knock you specifically, but 18 year olds have about as much logic capability as a 13 year old. A few years down the road, when your mind evolves from a child to an adult (I'm not knocking you, it's science), you'll realize how stupid your actions really were. Heck, I'm sure we all look back at 18 years old and remember how naive we were back then. I sure do. We've all been there.
paging lucky9876coins, who probably has too much wisdom to respond to this.
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And of course there is a difference between abusing the TOS for Live Seach Club, and actually committing fraud.
Using Bots - just a TOS issue really. If LSC doesn't like it, then they'll ban.
Modifying Headers - Fraud. Points/LSC could legally do something.
Getting Prizes and 'returning' them back to merchants? - Fraud. That's probably the type of fraud most likely to be investigated by police.
I don't think anyone 18 years of age knows any of the implications of fraud. Until they're sitting in the courtroom, that is.
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And of course there is a difference between abusing the TOS for Live Seach Club, and actually committing fraud.
Agreed. This is much like any of the other exploits (mentioned here) that have happened on this site, and this same discussion always happens. Take a look at the more recent Amex Au thread on AFF.
As long as you are abiding by the TOS of whatever program you're using/abusing, then so-be-it. Once the miles/prizes are redeemed and in your hands, then they're under the terms and conditions of whatever program they're now in, or under the jurisdiction of whatever local laws (eg tax laws - 1099 forms) there are on prizes, etc... At the very least you need to think of the tax implications, of receiving prizes and reselling them off.
Modifying headers and other values passed around is legally dubious at best. I'd love to see what happens to one of these young teenagers when they try to modify the values on their internet banking or other financial services.
Oh, and a lot of cheatingnetwork seems like the H/P/A/V/C scene from the 70s-90s, i.e. where people defrauded the credit card and telephone companies, and illegally had goods delivered to fake addresses or friends houses.
Just like any large community, there is a whole range of people on this site. Flyertalk has almost 180,000 members.
From your average housewife with no education post high school, up to lawyers, politicians, psychologists and programmers with multiple degrees, both graduate and post graduate.
That being said, depending on a person's relevant speciality, age, etc, they will all have something useful to contribute to the community, depending on both what they've learned and read.
Whether you want to listen to their advice or ignore it, it's up to you.
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I received the e-mail indicating I had requested a duplicate AA 1000-mile reward for a recent account I had created. The 1800 points were returned to my LSC account, but the 1000 AA miles also posted.
As others have noted, what is interesting is my 2500-mile redemption from the last week of December pre-dates my 1000-mile redemption (first week of January).
I'm going to see if LSC will let me redeem miles for another airline. What have I got to lose, at this point, these are all "house" points!
I received the e-mail indicating I had requested a duplicate AA 1000-mile reward for a recent account I had created. The 1800 points were returned to my LSC account, but the 1000 AA miles also posted.
As others have noted, what is interesting is my 2500-mile redemption from the last week of December pre-dates my 1000-mile redemption (first week of January).
I'm going to see if LSC will let me redeem miles for another airline. What have I got to lose, at this point, these are all "house" points!
Was that your first and only 1000 mile redemption that you made from this new account? Just wondering if it's even worth using a new and different LSC account every week or so to redeem for 1X 2500, 1000, 500, 100?
Was that your first and only 1000 mile redemption that you made from this new account? Just wondering if it's even worth using a new and different LSC account every week or so to redeem for 1X 2500, 1000, 500, 100?
No -- I had first redeemed 4 x 1000 miles in early December when the 2500-mile prizes were not available for an extended period of time. Since the T&C's were updated on 12/19, I have requested each AA mile award, and the only one that has posted is the 1000-mile prize (the one prize generated the duplicate notice).
I don't think anyone 18 years of age knows any of the implications of fraud. Until they're sitting in the courtroom, that is.
Just one more thought on this issue.
Let's not forget that LSC is Microsoft, and if they choose to pay attention to this issue, then I am sure it would be corrected in short order, with all of the bots/websites being rendered useless.
It kind of reminds me of a similar period of time recently when hacking/stealing Directv's satellite signal was just fun and games for the cheating and hacking community, then one day Directv woke up and flexed it's muscle and started filing criminal/civil complaints for theft across the country. It worked, as hundreds and hundreds of defendants found themselves in court....and some are still in court today.
Granted, these are two different products and situations, but theft is theft, regardless of how you obtain the end product.
I received the e-mail indicating I had requested a duplicate AA 1000-mile reward for a recent account I had created. The 1800 points were returned to my LSC account, but the 1000 AA miles also posted.
As others have noted, what is interesting is my 2500-mile redemption from the last week of December pre-dates my 1000-mile redemption (first week of January).
I'm going to see if LSC will let me redeem miles for another airline. What have I got to lose, at this point, these are all "house" points!
I got the same email and my miles were credited to me as well
Oh, I only have one account and I never paid any attention to the new rules. I believe I redeemed the duplicate miles during the time when the 2500 miles option disappeared.
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Just one more thought on this issue.
Let's not forget that LSC is Microsoft, and if they choose to pay attention to this issue, then I am sure it would be corrected in short order, with all of the bots/websites being rendered useless.
It kind of reminds me of a similar period of time recently when hacking/stealing Directv's satellite signal was just fun and games for the cheating and hacking community, then one day Directv woke up and flexed it's muscle and started filing criminal/civil complaints for theft across the country. It worked, as hundreds and hundreds of defendants found themselves in court....and some are still in court today.
Granted, these are two different products and situations, but theft is theft, regardless of how you obtain the end product.
It's like all of the kids who used to download songs on Napster. They thought they were invincible until they recieved their RIAA subpoenas.
Reminds me of a friend I had (rest his soul) who used to download full-length movies and bootleg them online. He laughed until he recieved an intimidating call from the FBI. I haven't seen someone change their ways quicker than he did after that.
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Got a reply from Live Search Club about my missing 2500 DL miles, redeemed on 12/28/2008. Looks like things are going to be taking longer now! Here's the e-mail I got from them, with sensitive information (including the customer service rep's name -- yes, this e-mail was actually signed) removed:
"Hello,
This is in response to your email regarding Live Search Club.
We have received your order for 2500 Frequent Flyer Miles, [order number removed for privacy], on 12/28/2008. It has been about 6 weeks since the order was placed. In most cases, prizes will be delivered 8-12 weeks from the date your order is processed, unless your prize is in limited quantities or backordered.
Your order is then processed for compliance with our Terms and Conditions for fair game play. After an order is processed, found to be in compliance with our Terms and Conditions, and ready to be shipped, you should receive a second shipping confirmation email with any relevant tracking and delivery information.
Microsoft respects your privacy. Please read our online Privacy Statement.
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to contact us. Thank you for contacting Live Search Club.
Kind Regards,
[Agent name removed for privacy]
The Live Search Club Support Team"
Had my last two mileage redemptions credited back to me. Now the 12/24 redemption is officially the last item in my "redeemed list" when I log into my LSC account.
Now I guess I may start weaning myself off of those silly games...though I may just have to shoot for a Zune or Xbox just to get something for those points I have lying around in my account now.
