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Originally Posted by edlin303
Anyone else notice this? I think it is new in the FAQ:
Anyone else very worried right now?
Not yet. There's always been a 1x limit for hardware/software items (Vista, Office, keyboards, controllers, etc). Let's wait and see, after the full awards list is up. I'm sure this group will find out the limits very quickly (if there are any).
If this were the case, this would especially put a damper on the DL promotion. Yet I'm presuming this is not the case.
Does anyone have a copy of the previous FAQ/T&Cs, to compare each item?
Steve B.
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I actually asked them about that very thing long ago, I did get a personal response at that time and was told this does NOT apply to miles awards....now, I am assuming that the terms and conditions have not changed in the last few months....so no worries....hopefully.
...however it looks like someone said a few posts back that the T/C were updated recently...so let's wait and see
Before the T/C said that the hardware had limitations 1 per household but said nothing about prizes like song downloads. Now that song downloads appear it makes you wonder if miles are also in the same bag. That would be just unfair. Specially because songs have a lot to do with copyrights while miles don't have that much restrictions. I say we ask again and show our worries, we are after all giving LSC more searches. This would lower our participation if not stopping it.
Not yet. There's always been a 1x limit for hardware/software items (Vista, Office, keyboards, controllers, etc). Let's wait and see, after the full awards list is up. I'm sure this group will find out the limits very quickly (if there are any).
If this were the case, this would especially put a damper on the DL promotion. Yet I'm presuming this is not the case.
Does anyone have a copy of the previous FAQ/T&Cs, to compare each item?
Steve B.
I think the limit on hardware/software prizes was because of people using bots and then selling the prizes on eBay or returning them to stores. Since FF miles are not easily resold, there was/is no need to limit them. There's a lot of information and speculation at www.cheapassgamer.com/
They probably won't truly be able to limit prizes until they require complete name and address info at sign in.
No. Think about it this way.... so what if you accumulate a million points, if you have no way to redeem them (because your addresses or account numbers have reached their limits)
They have been doing address limit checking for a while now; the limit used to be 3x of each hardware and software item (and unlimited "digital" prizes)-- your address' order history is maintained system wide and independent of your sign-in ID (i.e. In the past, if you made a new account, but had already ordered 3 copies of Vista on a another account, your 4th Vista order would be canceled/refunded)
For the past few months they have also been cross referencing your address to the USPS database, so there is no chance to do trickery with slightly different/incorrect addresses.
Since they have the framework already setup to track addresses system-wide, there is no reason to believe they couldn't (easily) add a FF account field to their system to do the same type of tracking to prevent multiple FF redemptions.
Before the T/C said that the hardware had limitations 1 per household but said nothing about prizes like song downloads. Now that song downloads appear it makes you wonder if miles are also in the same bag. That would be just unfair. Specially because songs have a lot to do with copyrights while miles don't have that much restrictions. I say we ask again and show our worries, we are after all giving LSC more searches. This would lower our participation if not stopping it.
I can't imagine that they would limit miles redemptions....it makes no sense...I do remember that we went through this very subject subject several months ago and everyone was all bent out of shape, me included, then in a few weeks everything was back to normal.
Let's cross our fingers and hope that things get back to normal soon.
I just hope that dont do that. Honestly there is no point for just 4000 miles or so. Maybe I will just build up points and donate. Cost them more that way then giving me miles I figure. Maybe if everyone does it we can get them to at least change it back. I really don't see why miles are a big problem for them, botters can't really overutilize and they cant be sold. I just want miles back dang it.
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Originally Posted by g1230
I can't imagine that they would limit miles redemptions....it makes no sense...I do remember that we went through this very subject subject several months ago and everyone was all bent out of shape, me included, then in a few weeks everything was back to normal.
Let's cross our fingers and hope that things get back to normal soon.
+100,000
Let's all go to lunch, and revisit this when there's actual confirmed change.
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I really hope it turns out well. I have no intention on redeeming any other kind of prize but miles!. Also I'm waiting for more than 10k to post in the next weeks (counting the ones missing from early nov)
No. Think about it this way.... so what if you accumulate a million points, if you have no way to redeem them (because your addresses or account numbers have reached their limits)
They have been doing address limit checking for a while now; the limit used to be 3x of each hardware and software item (and unlimited "digital" prizes)-- your address' order history is maintained system wide and independent of your sign-in ID (i.e. In the past, if you made a new account, but had already ordered 3 copies of Vista on a another account, your 4th Vista order would be canceled/refunded)
For the past few months they have also been cross referencing your address to the USPS database, so there is no chance to do trickery with slightly different/incorrect addresses.
Since they have the framework already setup to track addresses system-wide, there is no reason to believe they couldn't (easily) add a FF account field to their system to do the same type of tracking to prevent multiple FF redemptions.
True, but what is required in the physical world is not required in the virtual world. You are largely limited for the physical prizes to physical addresses (i.e. places where you can have and item shipped to and they will hold it for you.)
FF miles are not the same. For many FF programs you could set up as many accounts as you like online (as the physical address doesn't matter, you won't be receiving anything there) and then as many MSN live accounts that you want, like one account per FF account. Then, play games, deposit miles and every month or so you consolidate your FF accounts.
My belief has been that most of the physical prizes were so big, often 30-55k tickets, that they never limited the FF miles because they thought it would be fairer for multiple redemptions. If they limit to one redemption, they should also increase available awards to include something like 25k FF miles for 40k tickets, equivalent to a large hardware prize. Then, limiting to one per account wouldn't be quite so onerus.
They could limit this to a per account thing for airlines miles, but how would they know any per address limit if you've never had them ship any prizes to you? As far as I know, when you register you only put your zip code, no address.
They could limit per IP address, but that has holes as well, with many people using shared public computers... In fact, a couple of months ago I needed to use a local computer at our library.
Unfortunately, there's a very easy way for them to apply a limit, and that's to take note of the FF account the miles are being credited to. People who have FF accounts with multiple airlines would be a bit better off than those who have just one, but the limits would still bite hard.
True, but what is required in the physical world is not required in the virtual world. You are largely limited for the physical prizes to physical addresses (i.e. places where you can have and item shipped to and they will hold it for you.)
FF miles are not the same. For many FF programs you could set up as many accounts as you like online (as the physical address doesn't matter, you won't be receiving anything there) and then as many MSN live accounts that you want, like one account per FF account. Then, play games, deposit miles and every month or so you consolidate your FF accounts.
My belief has been that most of the physical prizes were so big, often 30-55k tickets, that they never limited the FF miles because they thought it would be fairer for multiple redemptions. If they limit to one redemption, they should also increase available awards to include something like 25k FF miles for 40k tickets, equivalent to a large hardware prize. Then, limiting to one per account wouldn't be quite so onerus.
Many airlines won't let u consolidate an account more than 2 times due to fraud.
Many airlines won't let u consolidate an account more than 2 times due to fraud.
Which airlines? I have had over a dozen AA accounts (due to Citibank screwups, an AA screwup, a fidelity promo, about 10 UA accounts (same general reasons) All were consolidated when I requested. Most airlines wouldn't want you to consolidate accounts established from free sign-up bonuses they offer, but consolidating miles from partner mile purchases could largely be a different matter.
Unfortunately, there's a very easy way for them to apply a limit, and that's to take note of the FF account the miles are being credited to. People who have FF accounts with multiple airlines would be a bit better off than those who have just one, but the limits would still bite hard.
Different accounts > different account numbers > consolidate later.
Kind of a lather, rinse, repeat.
Probably not worth the time and energy, but not impossible.
People who have FF accounts with multiple airlines would be a bit better off than those who have just one, but the limits would still bite hard.
