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Old Apr 12, 12, 3:46 pm   #1
 
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Passover Rant Thread on the American AAdvantage Forum

In case that any regular participants of this forum missed that discussion and may wish to weigh in on it over there.
Interesting Rant from The Curious Jew website
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Old Apr 14, 12, 7:04 pm   #2
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Old Apr 14, 12, 7:25 pm   #3
 
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I'd call it a "whine" rather than a "rant".
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questions about this rant

Hello all,

I have some questions and thoughts about this rant and this couple. I am the son of a European Jewish Holocaust Survivor, non-religious Jewish he his family and I.

What does it mean that they cannot fly on Sabbath, Fri night to Sat night sundown, I think? Would they be kicked out of the faith if they flew? I mean if it came right down to it, could they fly, or why couldn't they fly? I mean in Israel does the whole country come to a stop on the Sabbath, never been there? I mean on the Sabbath, don't people still get sick, police are needed, fire department, etccc...?? Could they not just celebrate the Sabbath day, a day or 2 later or on a different day? What is so special about Fri night to Sat night?

My next point is to the couple, if you wanted to get to your destination, get on the plane, the world is not going to end, the sun will come out tomorrow, if you fly on the Sabbath. I would think that the people they are going to see would be happy that they made the committment to come and to fly and to get there by any means possible.

Also, her point to get moved up in the stand-by list was laughable. Anyone could make up any excuse to get moved up. I mean, if she really wanted to get to her destination, then she would get on the flight, no matter the time of day. Let, me ask some experts, is her " not being able to fly " for religious reasons something that can be covered under any kind of religious sensitivity, type of thing?? Etc.., Or is it as they "choose" not to fly at cerain times.? What I am asking is DID American Airlines discriminate against this couple because of their religious beliefs? Or is flying, or religion, not covered under this type of thing?

Another scenario, a flyer a religious Jewish flyer, goes from A-B, and the flight breaks down or has an emergency landing in C, and then the flight will resume when he or she is in the Sabbath does the airline have to pay for this person's hotel, if they decide not to fly, and to put them on the next flight, even if it is sold out, etc...? Or is it up to the person, does religious non-discrimination come into play here?? I would think that the person would be on his/her own...

My take is that the couple should have flown no matter what time the flight was,etc...... Just get on the plane, just fly,
Thanks for your time,
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Old Jun 9, 12, 12:10 pm   #5
 
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Hello all,

I have some questions and thoughts about this rant and this couple. I am the son of a European Jewish Holocaust Survivor, non-religious Jewish he his family and I.

What does it mean that they cannot fly on Sabbath, Fri night to Sat night sundown, I think? Would they be kicked out of the faith if they flew? I mean if it came right down to it, could they fly, or why couldn't they fly? I mean in Israel does the whole country come to a stop on the Sabbath, never been there? I mean on the Sabbath, don't people still get sick, police are needed, fire department, etccc...?? Could they not just celebrate the Sabbath day, a day or 2 later or on a different day? What is so special about Fri night to Sat night?

My next point is to the couple, if you wanted to get to your destination, get on the plane, the world is not going to end, the sun will come out tomorrow, if you fly on the Sabbath. I would think that the people they are going to see would be happy that they made the committment to come and to fly and to get there by any means possible.

Also, her point to get moved up in the stand-by list was laughable. Anyone could make up any excuse to get moved up. I mean, if she really wanted to get to her destination, then she would get on the flight, no matter the time of day. Let, me ask some experts, is her " not being able to fly " for religious reasons something that can be covered under any kind of religious sensitivity, type of thing?? Etc.., Or is it as they "choose" not to fly at cerain times.? What I am asking is DID American Airlines discriminate against this couple because of their religious beliefs? Or is flying, or religion, not covered under this type of thing?

Another scenario, a flyer a religious Jewish flyer, goes from A-B, and the flight breaks down or has an emergency landing in C, and then the flight will resume when he or she is in the Sabbath does the airline have to pay for this person's hotel, if they decide not to fly, and to put them on the next flight, even if it is sold out, etc...? Or is it up to the person, does religious non-discrimination come into play here?? I would think that the person would be on his/her own...

My take is that the couple should have flown no matter what time the flight was,etc...... Just get on the plane, just fly,
Thanks for your time,
KCTigers.
kctigers, your question is better served in OMNI/PR. The short answer is, no one can tell you what you can or can't do. Flying on a plane violates the Sabbath for Orthodox Jews. Perhaps it is acceptable for Reform or Conservative. But if the person is Orthodox, flying on the Sabbath is 100% not allowed unless it is a matter of life and death. No they wouldn't "get kicked out of the faith." But violation of religion is a serious issue for religious people. While it may be OK for you, it aint OK for them. And you can't "postpone" the Sabbath.
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Yes, there was misinformation on AA's part, but the OP did not meet airport arrival guidelines plain and simple.

And no, religion should NOT be a basis for standby priority.
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