When does Passover end in flight?
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When does Passover end in flight?
I'm going to be on a plane from California to Newark on April 6, departing at 3:55pm local time, which would be 6:55pm Newark time. At what point during the flight would you consider Passover to be over?
I wonder if the Kosher meal on that flight would be Kosher for Passover?
I wonder if the Kosher meal on that flight would be Kosher for Passover?
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Chometz may be eaten on 4/6 after 8:46pm EWR time if a person is in NY
The difficulty will be knowing where you are exactly and that its after the time for comsuming chometz on the ground below you at that time.
The real question is if a person is flying East out of NY (to Europe) where hes going ahead in time when is it OK to eat chometz. Someone flying NY-SNA and flying out say at 6pm would end up not being able to eat chometz to alot after 8:46pm NY time since time will be going back as they fly West
for these type of questions its always best to consult your LOR (Local Orthodox Rabbi)
The difficulty will be knowing where you are exactly and that its after the time for comsuming chometz on the ground below you at that time.
The real question is if a person is flying East out of NY (to Europe) where hes going ahead in time when is it OK to eat chometz. Someone flying NY-SNA and flying out say at 6pm would end up not being able to eat chometz to alot after 8:46pm NY time since time will be going back as they fly West
for these type of questions its always best to consult your LOR (Local Orthodox Rabbi)
Last edited by craz; Mar 28, 2010 at 10:08 am Reason: misunderstood when the OP would be arriving at EWR
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The OP's flight departs SNA at 6:55 pm EWR's time. It arrives in EWR at 12:06 am the next day (CO 386).
I find your suggestion that the OP consult an Orthodox Rabbi to be curious. An Orthodox person will not be traveling on an airplane during the chag.
I find your suggestion that the OP consult an Orthodox Rabbi to be curious. An Orthodox person will not be traveling on an airplane during the chag.
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I have a return TLV-PHL-BOS-EWR flight on Mon 4/5. I hold 1 day Yom Tov
I thought the OP was landing at 6:55pm I misread that. What they would need to do is figure out when its past the local time they are flying at at that time for eating chometz. Not an easy thing to do. If it was me Id simply wait till it was past 8:46pm and we were in the Eastern time zone. As DTW is in ETZ yet Shabbos starts and ends there almost an hour after NY
As for an LOR even if a person isnt religious I dont know of any LOR who wouldnt answer their question, cant imagine asking it to someone who doesnt even keep kosher a whole year.
where I grew up the Reform Temple not only had a Kiddush on Yom Kippur but it wasnt even kosher to boot
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All Conservative congregations where I live observe Kashrut year round.
The Reform movement observes only one day of Yom Tov at both the beginning and end of the Passover holiday.
While kitchens at Reform synagogues may not be kosher, I have never seen a Kiddush performed on Yom Kippur or chametz served during Pesach at any of the ones with which I am acquainted.
The Reform movement observes only one day of Yom Tov at both the beginning and end of the Passover holiday.
While kitchens at Reform synagogues may not be kosher, I have never seen a Kiddush performed on Yom Kippur or chametz served during Pesach at any of the ones with which I am acquainted.
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Thanks for the comments. I'm not Orthodox, but I do try to follow the food restrictions more closely during Pesach. Even though the easier answer would be to get a Kosher for Passover meal and don't worry about the time, it made me wonder if anyone had ever developed a way to determine the exact moment when Passover ends while on a flight.
I remember reading that Ilan Ramon, before flying on the ill-fated shuttle mission, sought Halachic advice on when to observe Shabbat, whether 1) every 10 1/2 days (based on the Shuttle orbiting the Earth every 90 minutes), 2) once a week, based on Cape Canaveral time (the point from which he would leave the earth), 3) Houston time (which all the other astronauts use as "Official Shuttle Time" for daily activities, or 4) Jerusalem time.
I remember reading that Ilan Ramon, before flying on the ill-fated shuttle mission, sought Halachic advice on when to observe Shabbat, whether 1) every 10 1/2 days (based on the Shuttle orbiting the Earth every 90 minutes), 2) once a week, based on Cape Canaveral time (the point from which he would leave the earth), 3) Houston time (which all the other astronauts use as "Official Shuttle Time" for daily activities, or 4) Jerusalem time.
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Thanks for the comments. I'm not Orthodox, but I do try to follow the food restrictions more closely during Pesach. Even though the easier answer would be to get a Kosher for Passover meal and don't worry about the time, it made me wonder if anyone had ever developed a way to determine the exact moment when Passover ends while on a flight.
I remember reading that Ilan Ramon, before flying on the ill-fated shuttle mission, sought Halachic advice on when to observe Shabbat, whether 1) every 10 1/2 days (based on the Shuttle orbiting the Earth every 90 minutes), 2) once a week, based on Cape Canaveral time (the point from which he would leave the earth), 3) Houston time (which all the other astronauts use as "Official Shuttle Time" for daily activities, or 4) Jerusalem time.
I remember reading that Ilan Ramon, before flying on the ill-fated shuttle mission, sought Halachic advice on when to observe Shabbat, whether 1) every 10 1/2 days (based on the Shuttle orbiting the Earth every 90 minutes), 2) once a week, based on Cape Canaveral time (the point from which he would leave the earth), 3) Houston time (which all the other astronauts use as "Official Shuttle Time" for daily activities, or 4) Jerusalem time.
So the company doing the catering probably has had Passover meals for a few days now and wont switch back till they are all gone
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I want to wish U all a Happy Passover. As a Gentile, I was always told that Jewish days begin & end at sunset, which I just googled & found 7:14 PM in New York for April 6, but from Craz's Post #2, Kosher for Pesach ends ~90 minutes later--perhaps when it gets completely dark??
If the plane is on time, it should fly over Illinois about 9 PM CDT.
If the plane is on time, it should fly over Illinois about 9 PM CDT.
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I want to wish U all a Happy Passover. As a Gentile, I was always told that Jewish days begin & end at sunset, which I just googled & found 7:14 PM in New York for April 6, but from Craz's Post #2, Kosher for Pesach ends ~90 minutes later--perhaps when it gets completely dark??
If the plane is on time, it should fly over Illinois about 9 PM CDT.
If the plane is on time, it should fly over Illinois about 9 PM CDT.
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I want to wish U all a Happy Passover. As a Gentile, I was always told that Jewish days begin & end at sunset, which I just googled & found 7:14 PM in New York for April 6, but from Craz's Post #2, Kosher for Pesach ends ~90 minutes later--perhaps when it gets completely dark??
If the plane is on time, it should fly over Illinois about 9 PM CDT.
If the plane is on time, it should fly over Illinois about 9 PM CDT.
Thats why 8:46pm comes into play even thou 7:14pm is Sundown
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You anyway aren't allowed to rely on seeing 3 stars, because the stars have to be medium size stars (which one can't really know what's considered big and what medium), so therefor we rely on the times given by our sages which (according to most poskim) is 60 minutes after sunset (and according to the rabeinu tam 72 min).
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You anyway aren't allowed to rely on seeing 3 stars, because the stars have to be medium size stars (which one can't really know what's considered big and what medium), so therefor we rely on the times given by our sages which (according to most poskim) is 60 minutes after sunset (and according to the rabeinu tam 72 min).
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To offer my advice to the OPs original question, I'd wait till after sunset (from your departure city). By that time, it will be late into the evening at your arrival city.
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Thanks for the comments - I've ordered a Kosher meal, which will almost certainly be KFP. Then if they serve warm cookies at the end of the flight (I got upgraded), I'll take them. Not a bad way to end the holiday.