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Summary
Qatar Airways have agreed to take four A350-900 aircraft on a dry lease basis from LATAM. The new aircraft will be re-registered to Qatar Airways. These aircraft are referred as "QATAM" due to the hybrid nature of the product (LATAM hard product, Qatar Airways service)
This thread will continue to be updated as further information emerges, and this wikipost will hopefully answer some Frequently Asked Questions.
A trip report from one of the first QATAM-operated flights can be found here - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-reports/1828024-munich-doha-qatam-jj-frame-qr-service-a350-j.html#post28008887
Rotation 1 – QR59 DOH – MUC and QR60 MUC - DOH
Rotation 2 – QR57 DOH – MUC and QR58 MUC - DOH
Rotation 3 – QR149 DOH – MAD and QR150 MAD – DOH
Rotation 4 – QR151 DOH – MAD and QR152 MAD - DOH
Seating advice - Business Class
Seating advice - Economy Class
A detailed seat map for the aircraft can be found at this link - https://www.latam.com/pt_br/conheca-nos/sobre-nos/nossa-frota/A350/
Qatar Airways have agreed to take four A350-900 aircraft on a dry lease basis from LATAM. The new aircraft will be re-registered to Qatar Airways. These aircraft are referred as "QATAM" due to the hybrid nature of the product (LATAM hard product, Qatar Airways service)
This thread will continue to be updated as further information emerges, and this wikipost will hopefully answer some Frequently Asked Questions.
A trip report from one of the first QATAM-operated flights can be found here - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-reports/1828024-munich-doha-qatam-jj-frame-qr-service-a350-j.html#post28008887
Rotation 1 – QR59 DOH – MUC and QR60 MUC - DOH
- The first A359 to be transferred (PR-XTG) has been re-registered as A7-AMA and has been taken on a 1 year lease
- The aircraft operates QR59 DOH – MUC and QR60 MUC – DOH, replacing the current QR A359 from March until an unspecified date in the future
- A7-AMA entered revenue service on Wednesday 1 March 2017, operating QR59. Full entry to service took place on March 6th
Rotation 2 – QR57 DOH – MUC and QR58 MUC - DOH
- The second aircraft (PR-XTF) will be re-registered as A7-AMB and has been taken on a six month lease
- The aircraft will will fly the second MUC rotation (QR57 DOH – MUC and QR58 MUC – DOH), replacing the QR A359 from April 6th until an unspecified date in the future
Rotation 3 – QR149 DOH – MAD and QR150 MAD – DOH
- The third aircraft (unspecified) will be re-registered at A7-AMC. The lease duration is unclear at this time
- The aircraft is currently scheduled to start on the QR149 DOH – MAD and QR150 MAD – DOH rotations from Saturday 15th April, replacing the current QR B788
- Entry to service has been delayed from April 1st so further equipment swaps are likely. Details are still emerging about this operation and this thread will be updated as more information becomes available
Rotation 4 – QR151 DOH – MAD and QR152 MAD - DOH
- The fourth unspecified aircraft will be re-registered as A7-AMD and the lease duration is also unclear
- The aircraft is scheduled to operate as QR151 DOH – MAD and QR152 MAD – DOH from May 1st, replacing the current QR B788
- Entry to service has been delayed from April 15th so further equipment swaps are likely. Details are still emerging about this operation and this thread will be updated as more information becomes available
Seating advice - Business Class
- The QATAM A359’s “Premium Business” cabin has 30 seats in a 2-2-2 layout (compared with QR’s 36 seat A350 J cabin). There is no second business class cabin behind door 2 like on the QR aircraft
- The 2-2-2 configuration therefore means that not all seats have direct aisle access, which may be an annoyance to single travellers who wish to occupy a window seat
- Both toilets are located at the front of the cabin, whereas they are located behind row 6 on the QR A369. This may be of annoyance to passengers in row 1 on the QATAM A359
- The galley is also located ahead of row 1 and therefore may generate additional noise for those seated there
- Unlike on the QR A359, row 1 seats are not blocked until check-in and are available to reserve for passengers immediately when the aircraft is assigned
- AC power ports and USB ports are located at every seat
- The window seats in row 5 have one less window than the other seats in the cabin
- Window seat pairs in Rows 1 and 2 are not recommended as due to the curvature of the cabin they have less space than other equivalent seats further back in the aircraft
- There is no onboard bar facility on the QATAM A359
Seating advice - Economy Class
- The QATAM A359’s economy cabin has 318 seats in a 3-3-3 configuration, with 31” of seat pitch and 18” width. This is comparable with QR’s A359 seat dimensions, but the cabin is much smaller, holding 247 passengers
- There are five (yes, five) toilets located in the middle of the aircraft, between rows 33/34 and 35/36. This may be of annoyance to passengers in the area, and given the location next to door 3 people may congregate in the area between these rows
- A sixth toilet is located behind seats 50ABC and directly to the left of 51D. This may again be of annoyance
- The galley is located to the rear of the aircraft
- AC power ports are located between the seats and therefore two power outlets are divided between each set of three seats. USB ports are located at each seat at the bottom of the seat back IFE monitor
- The QATAM aircraft appears to have kept LATAM Economy+ seating that features extra leg room, at least in the short term, but it is not possible to select these seats. They are located in Row 15 (not included on the seatmap for QATAM operated flights) and both Rows 35 and 36 (blocked for selection on the seatmap)
A detailed seat map for the aircraft can be found at this link - https://www.latam.com/pt_br/conheca-nos/sobre-nos/nossa-frota/A350/
QR leasing LATAM A350s
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Any feedback (seats, service) based on first-hand experience of the replacement J cabin would be appreciated.
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It's not the end of the world. The seats will be similar (although not the same) to the 777s.
i am assuming the IFE can be uploaded with Qatars content rather than asking passengers to endure South America epic dramas.
Similarly, if crew and food are Qatar, than other than the seats - which admittedly are inferior to 1-2-1s, is the only thjng which is different from current QR product.
could be worse, you pay for Qatar and end up with Air Arabia!
i am assuming the IFE can be uploaded with Qatars content rather than asking passengers to endure South America epic dramas.
Similarly, if crew and food are Qatar, than other than the seats - which admittedly are inferior to 1-2-1s, is the only thjng which is different from current QR product.
could be worse, you pay for Qatar and end up with Air Arabia!
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It's not the end of the world. The seats will be similar (although not the same) to the 777s.
i am assuming the IFE can be uploaded with Qatars content rather than asking passengers to endure South America epic dramas.
Similarly, if crew and food are Qatar, than other than the seats - which admittedly are inferior to 1-2-1s, is the only thjng which is different from current QR product.
could be worse, you pay for Qatar and end up with Air Arabia!
i am assuming the IFE can be uploaded with Qatars content rather than asking passengers to endure South America epic dramas.
Similarly, if crew and food are Qatar, than other than the seats - which admittedly are inferior to 1-2-1s, is the only thjng which is different from current QR product.
could be worse, you pay for Qatar and end up with Air Arabia!
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msm2000uk's wise words notwithstanding I had extolled the virtues of QR's J 359 seats and cabin layout to my daughter and son-in-law when booking them a MAD-DOH-MNL-DOH-MAD itinerary (including QR150 and QR149) last month for travel this coming July. Such is life.
Any feedback (seats, service) based on first-hand experience of the replacement J cabin would be appreciated.
Any feedback (seats, service) based on first-hand experience of the replacement J cabin would be appreciated.
Are there any particular questions people would like answered on top of this?
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The first rule of flying with QR - PICK THE TIMINGS AND PRICE YOU WANT, OVER THE AIRCRAFT TYPE.
As has been pointed out in the thread, the A350 has been heavily delayed in its deliveries to all airlines (not just QR).
As such, the swaps on A350 routes have been regular.
As has been pointed out in the thread, the A350 has been heavily delayed in its deliveries to all airlines (not just QR).
As such, the swaps on A350 routes have been regular.
That being said, I do agree that it's not really reasonable to expect refunds etc. because of something like this.
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AeroNews.ro are reporting that the aircraft will carry a hybrid LATAM/QR livery as it will take too long to completely repaint them.
http://aeronews.ro/patru-airbus-uri-...s/&prev=search
http://aeronews.ro/patru-airbus-uri-...s/&prev=search
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All QR bookings carry a sense of adventure in them.
No matter the aircraft, I believe it is still one of the better ways to get somewhere.
No matter the aircraft, I believe it is still one of the better ways to get somewhere.
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The other hearsay story I read is that at least one could be used on the CDG - DOH route but haven't seen any route updates to suggest this.
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Bit of a complex conversation with QR today - spent about 10 minutes persuading the agent that it wasn't a QR aircraft on my MUC - DOH leg!
Eventually after some time on hold the agent said on board would be QR service and that only the seat should differ, without fully confirming there will be a QR crew on board.
As I said earlier I'll be flying the route in 17 days so will report back then if someone hasn't done so already. We should come up with some sort of name for this hybrid service...QATAM? LATAR?
Eventually after some time on hold the agent said on board would be QR service and that only the seat should differ, without fully confirming there will be a QR crew on board.
As I said earlier I'll be flying the route in 17 days so will report back then if someone hasn't done so already. We should come up with some sort of name for this hybrid service...QATAM? LATAR?
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But AFAIK, QR is having troubles getting their QR 350 and hence renting some from LATAM, that has troubles due to lower demand to/from Brasil.
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The seat looks like it's probably better than the QR A330 though, so if the food and service is the usual QR level then these swaps should be better than getting one of those
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QR have 14 A350 (A359 and A350-100) frames in TLS at the moment, so any aircraft shortage issue would be a lot shorter term than previously. The LATAM point is a valid one too.
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Reviews are quite limited of the LATAM A350 (wasn't sure if the TAM A350 seat is the same, seems it is) but they seem positive generally.