QF Group Changes - NZ, China, India
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QF Group Changes - NZ, China, India
CHANGES TO QANTAS GROUP NEW ZEALAND, CHINA AND INDIA SERVICES SYDNEY, 17 February 2009: The Qantas Group today announced changes to its New Zealand, China and
India operations.
New Zealand from 10 June 2009, Jetstar will commence New Zealand domestic services and Qantas will cease operating its New Zealand domestic network Qantas will introduce changes to its trans-Tasman services and flights to the United States from Auckland, increasing frequency and improving connections for international
customers, including to New York China Qantas Sydney-Shanghai A330 services will increase to seven per week (daily) from 31 March 2009. Qantas Melbourne-Shanghai services (currently two per week) will cease from 31 March 2009. Qantas Sydney-Beijing services (currently three per week) will cease from 17 April 2009. India Qantas three-times-a-week Mumbai services will operate via Singapore from mid-May, with connections from Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide (Qantas) and
Cairns and Darwin (Jetstar).
Interesting that PEK gets cut.
Seems there is alot of A330 International capacity being used domestically now as well - I guess this is where the JQ 330's would have been deployed if they had received 787's by now. It just sow happens international demand is down, so they can use the international 330's.
NZ is interesting. I wonder how successful JQ will be against Pac Blue.
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I must say QF's New Zealand strategy have me a bit confused, especially in the last year. I always thought JQ would jump in to the NZ domestic market and take out the QF brand, way before DJ would. Then DJ got the jump and QF introduced CityFlyer and (talked about) re-introducing WLG-CHC, I thought maybe they would stick with QF... Has it even been a year since the CityFlyer concept started in NZ?
Of course, there was also talk about the 738s coming in, but now, we're seeing 733s again even (I thought they were all gone by now). Personally, I'm really sick of seeing these 733s and 734s in WLG... (Frankly, I'm sick of flying in 737s, no matter what variation...)
So now the domestic QPs will disappear too? I'll miss the cheese scones in WLG though...
At least they're keeping QF for trans-Tasman (for the meantime) - I wonder how long that will stay...
With regards to Beijing, I'm not really surprised. That route always smells Olympics to me. Shanghai is always the bigger city, so that will get the traffic...
Of course, there was also talk about the 738s coming in, but now, we're seeing 733s again even (I thought they were all gone by now). Personally, I'm really sick of seeing these 733s and 734s in WLG... (Frankly, I'm sick of flying in 737s, no matter what variation...)
So now the domestic QPs will disappear too? I'll miss the cheese scones in WLG though...
At least they're keeping QF for trans-Tasman (for the meantime) - I wonder how long that will stay...
With regards to Beijing, I'm not really surprised. That route always smells Olympics to me. Shanghai is always the bigger city, so that will get the traffic...
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It will be interesting to see how QF will execute the NZ changes staffing wise. With the QF brand disappearing domestically will those people move over to JQ?
The changes are not reflected in Sabre yet because I wanted to look up whether SYD-BOM will still be on one flight number or how exactly they are going to do this.
The changes are not reflected in Sabre yet because I wanted to look up whether SYD-BOM will still be on one flight number or how exactly they are going to do this.
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Planning a trip PEK in May in J and the QF site says:
We could not find a fare for the requested itinerary. (# 66002)
Have tried several dates but nothing for J.
There are Y seats with a code share flight from PVG with China Eastern. CX must be rubbing their hands with glee!
We could not find a fare for the requested itinerary. (# 66002)
Have tried several dates but nothing for J.
There are Y seats with a code share flight from PVG with China Eastern. CX must be rubbing their hands with glee!
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Planning a trip PEK in May in J and the QF site says:
We could not find a fare for the requested itinerary. (# 66002)
Have tried several dates but nothing for J.
There are Y seats with a code share flight from PVG with China Eastern. CX must be rubbing their hands with glee!
We could not find a fare for the requested itinerary. (# 66002)
Have tried several dates but nothing for J.
There are Y seats with a code share flight from PVG with China Eastern. CX must be rubbing their hands with glee!
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The fare quoted SIN-BOM rtn was over AUD900 including taxes, so it looks like QF is actively discouraging 'local' traffic by pricing high and keeping through seats available.
I did call soon after the flights via SIN loaded into the system, so maybe they have come down now, but there would certainly be cheaper alternatives.
Regards
lme etc etc
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I don't know if you can do it on the website but a long phone call to Qantas bookings will do it.
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Indeed they do seem to have the traffic rights. I rang them a couple of weeks ago to enquire what the fare might be as it wasn't possible to select BOM from the drop-down menu ex SIN (but you could select SIN ex BOM for some reason).
The fare quoted SIN-BOM rtn was over AUD900 including taxes, so it looks like QF is actively discouraging 'local' traffic by pricing high and keeping through seats available.
I did call soon after the flights via SIN loaded into the system, so maybe they have come down now, but there would certainly be cheaper alternatives.
Regards
lme etc etc
The fare quoted SIN-BOM rtn was over AUD900 including taxes, so it looks like QF is actively discouraging 'local' traffic by pricing high and keeping through seats available.
I did call soon after the flights via SIN loaded into the system, so maybe they have come down now, but there would certainly be cheaper alternatives.
Regards
lme etc etc
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What is annoying is that you can't get a through fare utilising QF premium economy to HKG and then onwards to China in Y. The only way it seems it can be done is to combine the published fares on both sectors which is very unattractive.
Regards
lme etc etc
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Bestflights and the like also offer the QF/xx combination, but only to a single destination.
What is annoying is that you can't get a through fare utilising QF premium economy to HKG and then onwards to China in Y. The only way it seems it can be done is to combine the published fares on both sectors which is very unattractive.
Regards
lme etc etc
What is annoying is that you can't get a through fare utilising QF premium economy to HKG and then onwards to China in Y. The only way it seems it can be done is to combine the published fares on both sectors which is very unattractive.
Regards
lme etc etc
#15
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I've done this as well with Qantas over the phone but in TLFFA1 all the way. About $2900 ADL-MEL-(PE)-HKG-PVG-HKG-(PE)-SYD-ADL. Some times you need to be a little 'encouraging' and they often can not see the fair codes or don't understand them. TLFFA1 is only slight more expensive than YLFFA1 which we often use. Not available in April around Easter time and at some other times.
The possibility of PE to HKG really is attractive.