I wouldn't ever buy a Holden, but that's another subject
Its VERY hard to find a car dealer that will take credit cards for full payment on car, I had to fight to get BMW to take $25,000 on credit. The rest was a bank cheque
The QF cards in NZ limit point earning severely, so even if you can get a dealer to accept the card you still don't get many points.
QF have effectively devalued FF points from an average of 4c per point to less than 1c per point overall I believe. This will increase the value of the QF FF business division for separation and selling to investors. But Geoff Dixon will need to do this quickly before QF FF flyers, particularly those like me who fly in F or J, leave the scheme and the airline to fly with competitors, e.g. SQ, where the same points are worth 4c on average and redemption availability (as I have noted in other postings here) is as good as Anyseat. Of course this doesn't help anyone with a large QF points balance currently, although using them on domestic flight redemptions may now be much more attractive (as a couple of examples by other posters demonstrates).
QF have effectively devalued FF points from an average of 4c per point to less than 1c per point overall I believe.
You can still book a OneWorld business class RTW fare for 285,000 points.
Presumably none of the other Oneworld carriers have changed the availability of seats for redemption on their flights, so unless QANTAS has changed its own availbility, everything is the same value as before.
The $0.04 valuation is somewhat suspect in my opinion. You could only get that value *if* flights were available. Which, for popular routes (SYD-LAX) was often not the case.
I think the QFF.com.au 'points maximiser' lets you know that this is not aimed at 'average' people. The "Parent" in this example is taking their annual holiday worth $20000 to new york with the kids - All while managing to charge $3500/month to their credit card.
I think the QFF.com.au 'points maximiser' lets you know that this is not aimed at 'average' people. The "Parent" in this example is taking their annual holiday worth $20000 to new york with the kids - All while managing to charge $3500/month to their credit card.
Ahuh - Maybe in the Dixon household.
Chrisb.
Very true
Annual holiday worth $20,000 I can understand
But $42,000 a year on a credit card would mean you would want to be earning $150,000+ per year to justify it
In my opinion, this represents a remarkable improvement for the frequent flyer who exclusively uses their points for short to medium haul business class awards. Now, your whole family can go in business class on points for the first time and for the same amount of points plus $150 or so each way.
BAD NEWS!
As per usual with program 'enhancements' longhaul routes cost markedly more points.
QF31 SYD-LHR in A380 First Class Suite it costs 1.2million points with AnySeat. If you use the tool to use the minimum amount of points and most cash it costs 192,000 points & $10,500. This is insane! The ticket is only worth $12,500 which makes 192,000 points worth $2,000!
I'm SO lucky that my 192,000 point award was changed to A380 :P It really seems like a once in a lifetime ticket!
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F and J award seats were always difficult to get under the old system, and if you're anything like me, it took ages anyway.
The punting value is still there, except the number of seats is smaller now.
Personally, unless I can work out a good way to get WP (DONE4 is an option that I may not have with only 4 weeks of holidays in a year), I will continue to mainly use my points for upgrades only. Seems I feel better that way. AFAIK point upgrade seats dip into the same fare buckets as Classic award seats. You've had to pay at least S class to get the seat, but at least you'll get some reprieve via Economy (or Discount Economy) points and SC.
If you think the Anytime Seat prices were bad, try joining QC with points. That'll kill you....
Anytime Seats don't completely have the same fare conditions, apart from the blatantly obvious of no point earning on award flights. For example, with a J Anytime Seat, points fees are incurred if you cancel or no-show (compared to the cash ticket where you get everything back).
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Originally Posted by anat0l
If you think the Anytime Seat prices were bad, try joining QC with points. That'll kill you....
So you think getting a lifetime membership for Mrs. DUF for 495,000 points was a steep price?
A bit OT: DJ had an offer to pay for their lounge membership with Amex points the other day and at first look I thought the points required were for a lifetime membership, but it was only for a year....
In my opinion, this represents a remarkable improvement for the frequent flyer who exclusively uses their points for short to medium haul business class awards. Now, your whole family can go in business class on points for the first time and for the same amount of points plus $150 or so each way.
Did you try booking multiple J class tickets for routes like SYD-PER?
I suspect that either there's a glitch in the system -or- there are very limited D (I?) seats in those buckets. So, as long as there are *no* bookings someone can get in at the cheap price. But if you try to book 4 tickets at that point value, you won't be able to get them all for the cheap point values.
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Just done my E-Mail to QF illustrating how crazy their new scheme is compared to BA or LH. Don't think things will change but it is getting harder to recommend QFF to any casual traveler.
On August 25 one way Anyseat availability for MEL-HKG shows 'J' class requires 624,376 points yet 'F' class requires 601,740 points. How stupid is that? How can an 'F' seat cost less than a 'J' seat?
I will tell you how. The programmer/s involved failed to assess the relationship between the various cabin classes, i.e. doing yield management based on remaining seats in each cabin rather than the whole aircraft. Thus, in my example above the 'F' cabin probably has more seats available than the 'J' cabin.
In the real world, who would take the 'J' seat over the 'F' seat???
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Something to smile about.
There currently is no change to qualification requirements, new and renewal.
Also Lifetime Status is still there.
In regards to the points requirement for "Anytime Seats"....I thought NZ Airpoints was bad but QF takes the cake.
Unless QF has changed the charge rate for its partners they are using a very interesting redemptions formula
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