They mention the 787 being used to USA. Obviously saw it as better to have a large fleet of a single type (maintenance and sparing etc) than the use of higher capacity aircraft. The 787-9 with a range of 8,600 to 8,800 nm and a capacity of 250+ passengers, its will be a nice option for bringing BNE-LAX back to daily and complementing the A380 services from MEL and SYD. The 787-8 will be the initial delivery, and it has a planned range of 8,000 - 8,500 nm with a capacity of 210+ passengers.
Will also open up some great options for Europe beyond LHR (which I assume will be mainly A380 services). Will still need to hub in Asia. But they could open up a few more Asian stopover points, such as KUL or somewhere in China.
I expect we will see a red kangaroo emblazened 787 on the Boeing web site very soon. Nice to see they have done a significant update to their web site this week.
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Interesting that JQ Int will initially use the four A332s, moving to the 787s 'as quickly as possible'. So with an initial order of 65 787s, which is a heck of a lot of planes (albeit not all delivered at once!) does this mean QF will phase out the 9 A333s currently in the fleet?
The press release also makes no mention of AO. Are they going to be using 787s as well, or absorbed into JQ Int?
Well it looks like I was on track regarding the 777 and 787, but got it worng with the 747-8 and A321.
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Originally Posted by NM
I think we will see some 747-8 orders for QF mainline, along with 787-8 for domestic widebody replacement and 787-9 for international 767 replacement.
I think the A340 is a non-started. I think the A350 is unlikely in QF colours. I think we could see the current A330s go to AO as their 763 replacements.
I am still unsure which way I think they will go regarding 777. A mix of 747-8 and 787-9 (along with the ordered A380s) could handle the international demand. This obviously discounts the LHR-SYD non-stop option, but I am not convinced QF will go this way.
I also think JQ will get A321 rather than anything from Mr Boeing. The JQ model is based on a single aircraft type to keep operating costs low, and I think they will stick to the A320 family.
so a real guess is as follows:
QF Mainline:
12 x 747-8 with options for a further 10 (replace 743 and early 744)
12 x 787-8 with options for a further 10 (replace domestic 763 and A332)
22 x 787-9 with options for a further 10 (replace international 763 and A333)
JQ:
10 x A321 with options for a further 6
AO:
will get existing A332 and A333 to replace 763 as QF deliveries arrive
That is my guess. But I could be way off track .
And I had the A332's going to the wrong group, but correct in that they will be leaving QF mainline.
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Interesting that JQ Int will initially use the four A332s, moving to the 787s 'as quickly as possible'.
That's disappointing, I like the 332s on PER-SYD runs. Any idea what they'll be replaced with? The schedules are still showing 332s all the way up until the end of next year.
That's disappointing, I like the 332s on PER-SYD runs. Any idea what they'll be replaced with? The schedules are still showing 332s all the way up until the end of next year.
Steve
JQ International is not slated to commence operations until Dec 06 or Jan 07 according to QF's announcement about it last week.
In that time QF will be continuing to take delivery of more 737-800 aircraft. So expect to see a mix of 767-300 and 737-800 operating to PER when the A332's transition to JQ international.
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In that time QF will be continuing to take delivery of more 737-800 aircraft. So expect to see a mix of 767-300 and 737-800 operating to PER when the A332's transition to JQ international.
Well, if they move toward using smaller planes on the route, then one hopes they will increase the frequency on the routes. But like StevePER , I rather like the 332 across to SYD
Well, if they move toward using smaller planes on the route, then one hopes they will increase the frequency on the routes. But like StevePER , I rather like the 332 across to SYD
Especially when an A333 gets substituted! In Y or J!
Interesting that JQ Int will initially use the four A332s, moving to the 787s 'as quickly as possible'. So with an initial order of 65 787s, which is a heck of a lot of planes (albeit not all delivered at once!) does this mean QF will phase out the 9 A333s currently in the fleet?
The press release also makes no mention of AO. Are they going to be using 787s as well, or absorbed into JQ Int?
Interesting times ahead.
And it really is the news of the future - the new is dated 31st December 2005!
Interesting times ahead for QF - 65 787's is a lot of frames. I guess we'll see a few more European destinations.
SEATTLE, Dec. 13, 2005 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] and Qantas announced today that the airline has selected the Boeing 787 Dreamliner and plans to buy up to 115 787s for renewal and expansion of its long-haul fleet.
Boeing and Qantas are finalizing an agreement that will include orders for 45 Dreamliners, with 20 options plus purchase rights for an additional 50 airplanes. The announcement by Qantas is the largest to date for the Dreamliner in terms of the total package
The first four 787-8s will be delivered to Qantas' Jetstar subsidiary in 2008, with plans for a total of 28 to be in operation with Qantas and Jetstar by December 2011. Qantas' and Jetstar's airplanes will be split between the 787-8 (up to 300 seats in Jetstar's low-cost configuration) and 787-9 (up to 350 seats)....
Qantas has yet to announce an engine choice between the Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 and GE Aircraft Engines GEnx power plants...
I think one of the reasons Finnair gave was cockpit commonality with its existing Airbus fleet. As QF only has a relatively small Airbus fleet, this isn't such a reason for them.
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Is the switch to an all-787 order by QF indicative of a future strategy to change the fleet product mix, with more J service and less Y service? I haven't seen the announced seat config on the 787 but bet that it is a higher ratio of J seats. So this may be a shift to premium traffic by QF but at the expense of cheap Y seats into Australia -- which may affect the tourism industry and maybe open the way for other airlines to start serving the SYD-LAX market (such as SQ and EK). There may be a lot of strategy behind the 787 order (and interesting timing in the delivery dates). I haven't crunched the numbers, but it seems to me that QF hasn't spent all of its announced fleet expenditure funds yet, and another order announcement is forthcoming with in the next few months.
Is the switch to an all-787 order by QF indicative of a future strategy to change the fleet product mix, with more J service and less Y service? I haven't seen the announced seat config on the 787 but bet that it is a higher ratio of J seats. So this may be a shift to premium traffic by QF but at the expense of cheap Y seats into Australia.
I think your hunch may be correct for the QF fleet, but remember there will be the A380's coming on line as well. Also there will be a JQ fleet with premium economy & economy, I wouldn't mind betting that they cram in as many Y seats as feasible in that fleet, and use to target the lower end of the market on certain routes.
That makes a lot more sense for AY since they have a very small fleet of long-haul aircraft and an existing fleet of A320-series aircraft. So keeping to a single supplier and some crew commonality is probably helpful for them. Horses for courses.
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Is the switch to an all-787 order by QF indicative of a future strategy to change the fleet product mix, with more J service and less Y service? I haven't seen the announced seat config on the 787 but bet that it is a higher ratio of J seats. So this may be a shift to premium traffic by QF but at the expense of cheap Y seats into Australia -- which may affect the tourism industry and maybe open the way for other airlines to start serving the SYD-LAX market (such as SQ and EK). There may be a lot of strategy behind the 787 order (and interesting timing in the delivery dates). I haven't crunched the numbers, but it seems to me that QF hasn't spent all of its announced fleet expenditure funds yet, and another order announcement is forthcoming with in the next few months.
Noting that the 787 is initially for three purposes:
JQ International fleet
QF Domestic 767
QF International 767 replacement
I don't see there will be a big difference in the number or mix of J seating. I do expect those used for QF International to get Skybeds. Not sure if they plan to have a different seating config for domestic, but I would expect that to be the case, similar to A333 vs A332 today.
Of the initial 45 firm orders, I assume the split is something like this:
10 to JQ International (already announced)
16 to QF Domestic (replace 4 x A332, 7 x 767-336 and 5 x 767-338 domestic config)
19 to QF International (to replace 12 x 767-338 and 6 x 747-338)
So the 20 options are then for growth as announced. And then 50 purchase rights are for more growth again.
This does not address the 747-400 replacement which will not be scheduled to commence for a few more years yet, and will initially be covered by the addition of 12 x A380.
So I would not be expecting to see too much more in terms of aircraft purchases for a while yet. Probably not until one of the manufacturer can convince Qantas they have a product that will deliver SYD-LHR non-stop economically. Or probably a few more DH8-Q400s for QF Link.
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