Earning QF miles on MH KUL-SYD Business
May 25, 2017, 7:40 pm
#1
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Earning QF miles on MH KUL-SYD Business
Can I check if I'm going mad, or if QF earning on MH really is now so poor?
I'm booked in Flexible Business SIN-KUL-SYD on Malaysian. Gold on QF, Silver on BA, so same status on both.
Looking at the QF calculator it says there is no Business Class KUL-SYD, and Flex economy only earns 4000 miles and 30SC. (IE, half an upgrade from Y to C from SYD to MEL)
By contrast if I pop the miles on BA, I earn 12,346 miles and 140 TPs. (IE, half an upgrade from C to First from HKG to LHR)
This really makes no sense - is there something I'm missing or is there an error I'm making somewhere?
I'm booked in Flexible Business SIN-KUL-SYD on Malaysian. Gold on QF, Silver on BA, so same status on both.
Looking at the QF calculator it says there is no Business Class KUL-SYD, and Flex economy only earns 4000 miles and 30SC. (IE, half an upgrade from Y to C from SYD to MEL)
By contrast if I pop the miles on BA, I earn 12,346 miles and 140 TPs. (IE, half an upgrade from C to First from HKG to LHR)
This really makes no sense - is there something I'm missing or is there an error I'm making somewhere?
May 25, 2017, 8:13 pm
#2
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Not missing anything - that's how it is.
When travelling on flights between
Qantas treat Business and First Class are treated as Flexible Economy for Status Credit and Points earning.
Qantas and Malaysia Airlines had a bit of a commercial falling out, and they are taking it out on each others customers. Pretty pathetic behavior by both the airlines.....
When travelling on flights between
- Australia and Malaysia, UK or Europe*;
- New Zealand and Malaysia, UK or Europe*; and
- Malaysia and UK, Europe* or Middle East
Qantas treat Business and First Class are treated as Flexible Economy for Status Credit and Points earning.
Qantas and Malaysia Airlines had a bit of a commercial falling out, and they are taking it out on each others customers. Pretty pathetic behavior by both the airlines.....
May 26, 2017, 1:45 am
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It's more than that. As Perthite alludes, MH and QF entered into an agreement to setup a new airline. QF sponsored MH into oneworld. Then for some reason, the setup of the airline fell apart, and relations soured. So therefore they won't encourage anyone to fly on each other's airline.
May 26, 2017, 3:30 am
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May 26, 2017, 4:57 am
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sorry should have been clearer. they compete on aus-asia"zone" as a whole... where they do not compete directly, for examlple, hkg kul sector (intra asia "zone") MH Business earns full SC on MH. or say be creative like HKG-KUL-SIN on MH would earn full SC also at same cost
likewise if you check Qatar earning from DOH to West europe like LHR or mainstream westEU ZoNE earn half those od QF. but if you took QR from DOH to east europe like Hungary, you earn more SC than dod-LHR! why? cuz QF doesnt compete on DOH-east EU zone
likewise if you check Qatar earning from DOH to West europe like LHR or mainstream westEU ZoNE earn half those od QF. but if you took QR from DOH to east europe like Hungary, you earn more SC than dod-LHR! why? cuz QF doesnt compete on DOH-east EU zone
May 27, 2017, 7:01 pm
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May 28, 2017, 5:28 am
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May 28, 2017, 7:37 am
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Should have booked SIN - MEL with a QF flight number, but flying EK, and then Au dom MEL - SYD the next day.
Full SC earn as if flying QF itself!
Full SC earn as if flying QF itself!
Oct 25, 2017, 9:17 pm
#12
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I have just discovered this "trap"!
However the Points Calculator for KUL/AKL gives a decent Business earning rate, rather than just the Flexible Economy rate. Flights to NZ are supposed to accrue at the Flexible Economy rate per the rules.
Now I am further confused! Anyone have any further insight into this?
However the Points Calculator for KUL/AKL gives a decent Business earning rate, rather than just the Flexible Economy rate. Flights to NZ are supposed to accrue at the Flexible Economy rate per the rules.
Now I am further confused! Anyone have any further insight into this?
Oct 26, 2017, 3:06 am
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I have just discovered this "trap"!
However the Points Calculator for KUL/AKL gives a decent Business earning rate, rather than just the Flexible Economy rate. Flights to NZ are supposed to accrue at the Flexible Economy rate per the rules.
Now I am further confused! Anyone have any further insight into this?
However the Points Calculator for KUL/AKL gives a decent Business earning rate, rather than just the Flexible Economy rate. Flights to NZ are supposed to accrue at the Flexible Economy rate per the rules.
Now I am further confused! Anyone have any further insight into this?
Oct 27, 2017, 9:06 am
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Under QF's Simple and Fairer or Fairer and Simpler, or something, a while back, a QFF member flying MH in J had their earning rates for FF miles/points reduced.
Must have been about 12/18 months ago now.
Only affects QFF members flying MH KUL - Au and KUL - NZ.
Must have been about 12/18 months ago now.
Only affects QFF members flying MH KUL - Au and KUL - NZ.