Perth-Singapore resumes
Apr 23, 2015, 8:11 pm
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Apr 24, 2015, 6:55 am
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The only thing stopping Qantas operating profitable international services out of PER is the airline itself. The market and demand is clear, and as Fred rightly says PER people have stopped flying, they have just stopped flying Qantas.
In fact if they ran a 73H directly against VA once a day to DPS I am sure it would prove a highly profitable and lucrative route, more lucrative than sending 9 half full 73H planes to KTA to service a dwindling iron ore market at any rate.
Oh and judging by all the Platinum and Gold tags in economy in KTA, I doubt many of those are earned on saver tickets.
Apr 25, 2015, 9:13 am
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Lets put that into perspective - WA have 3,870 people leaving the state for short term overseas travel every day.
In Queensland that number is just 4,215 people - 345 people per day more than WA or 2 x 73H flights.
Yet today QF will operate 9 international flights out of BNE servicing only incrementally higher population movements. And none out of PER.
In Queensland that number is just 4,215 people - 345 people per day more than WA or 2 x 73H flights.
Yet today QF will operate 9 international flights out of BNE servicing only incrementally higher population movements. And none out of PER.
Code:
QF123 09:30 BNE-AKL 73H QF15 10:25 BNE-LAX 744 QF97 10:50 BNE-HKG 333 QF51 12:15 BNE-SIN 333 QF125 18:40 BNE-AKL 73H
Taking next Tuesday's timetable (insofar as the flights are visible on ExpertFlyer), there are 25 international departures from PER, totalling about 6,130 seats. In contrast, there are 38 international departures from BNE, totalling about 9,724 seats (or 59% more seats than are being flown from PER). Non-QF seats from BNE total about 8,422 (or 37% more non-QF seats than from PER).
So what are these non-QF airlines doing? They can't all be deliberately and stupidly under-serving the PER market. The difference reflects the physical, geographical and economic disadvantages under which air services from PER labour.
Here's the data I worked from. The number of seats on each aircraft is approximate, because they were grabbed from online sources in a fairly dirty way:-
Code:
Departures from PER
1 3K132 00:05 PER-SIN 320 180
2 SQ216 01:10 PER-SIN 333 285
3 EK425 06:05 PER-DXB 77L 266
4 SQ224 06:25 PER-SIN 333 285
5 D7237 06:50 PER-KUL 330 377
6 GA727 07:50 PER-DPS 333 257
7 3K134 08:15 PER-SIN 320 180
8 TG484 09:15 PER-BKK 787 264
9 QZ535 11:20 PER-DPS 320 180
10 VA57 12:05 PER-DPS 73H 176
11 JQ106 13:35 PER-DPS 320 180
12 SQ226 14:05 PER-SIN 772 266
13 EY487 15:40 PER-AUH 332 262
14 MH124 16:25 PER-KUL 333 283
15 VA59 16:35 PER-DPS 73H 176
16 QZ545 16:50 PER-DPS 320 180
17 SQ214 17:10 PER-SIN 772 266
18 GA725 17:40 PER-CGK 738 156
19 EK423 18:10 PER-DXB 77W 360
20 JQ116 19:00 PER-DPS 320 180
21 QZ537 20:05 PER-DPS 320 180
22 EK421 22:10 PER-DXB 77W 360
23 QR901 22:35 PER-DOH 77W 335
24 SA281 23:50 PER-JNB 343 254
25 CX170 23:55 PER-HKG 333 242
All 6130
Code:
Departures from BNE
1 CX156 00:50 BNE-HKG 333 242
2 EK433 02:30 BNE-SIN 77W 360
3 PX6 07:55 BNE-POM 737 144
4 EK434 08:05 BNE-AKL 388 489
5 KE124 08:25 BNE-ICN 333 276
6 VA464 08:40 BNE-PER 73H 176
7 VA104 08:50 BNE-WLG 738 170
8 JQ47 09:00 BNE-DPS 788 335
9 SQ256 09:10 BNE-SIN 333 285
10 VA175 09:25 BNE-NAN 73H 176
11 QF123 09:30 BNE-AKL 73H 168
12 VA120 09:30 BNE-DUD 738 170
13 VA126 09:45 BNE-CHC 73H 176
14 VA189 09:55 BNE-POM 738 170
15 CZ382 09:55 BNE-CAN 332 218
16 VA41 10:05 BNE-DPS 738 170
17 QF15 10:25 BNE-LAX 744 364
18 PX4 10:40 BNE-POM 763 188
19 PR222 10:40 BNE-MNL 320 136
20 QF97 10:50 BNE-HKG 333 301
21 VA7 10:50 BNE-LAX 77W 361
22 NF21 11:00 BNE-SON 738 170
23 FJ920 11:30 BNE-NAN 73H 160
24 QF51 12:15 BNE-SIN 333 301
25 CI53 12:25 BNE-AKL 333 307
26 EY473 12:25 BNE-SIN 332 262
27 NZ136 12:30 BNE-AKL 773 342
28 TG474 14:00 BNE-BKK 773 348
29 SQ236 14:30 BNE-SIN 333 285
30 JQ5 17:55 BNE-HNL 332 310
31 VA160 18:00 BNE-AKL 738 170
32 NZ804 18:30 BNE-CHC 320 168
33 QF125 18:40 BNE-AKL 73H 168
34 EK435 21:00 BNE-DXB 388 489
35 HA444 21:55 BNE-HNL 332 294
36 CI54 23:00 BNE-TPE 333 307
37 MH134 23:20 BNE-KUL 333 283
38 SQ246 23:35 BNE-SIN 333 285
All 9724
QF 1302
Non-QF 8422
Apr 26, 2015, 12:29 am
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I presume the inbound numbers are drastically different, with BNE attracting more foreigners either by itself or as a hub for nearby destinations.
Are most of AU's international destinations Open Skies? Nothing worse than governments to introduce unnatural distortions (see Canada vs. U.S.).
Are most of AU's international destinations Open Skies? Nothing worse than governments to introduce unnatural distortions (see Canada vs. U.S.).
Apr 26, 2015, 3:25 pm
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Hoping you don't mind me ducking into this thread with a pretty simple question. I'm going to be returning to Singapore from Perth on the 27th June, and just spotted a one way fare on Qantas (which bought me to this thread). I wouldn't mind picking up a reward flight using BA Avios though, what do you all think the chances of availability opening up this early on the reintroduction of the route? Currently there is plenty of availability from mid-July onwards, but nothing before.
So, what do you Qantas experts think?
So, what do you Qantas experts think?
Apr 26, 2015, 3:39 pm
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It is unlikely that availability will open up, but it is possible. I wouldn't gamble on it myself
Looking at the fares for that day Qantas's lowest fare doesn't seem that low at $459 - at that price I personally would book scoot and book its biz fare for $499 - basically a premium economy product ( 2-3-2 layout on a 787 )
I wouldn't gamble on award availability being released
Looking at the fares for that day Qantas's lowest fare doesn't seem that low at $459 - at that price I personally would book scoot and book its biz fare for $499 - basically a premium economy product ( 2-3-2 layout on a 787 )
I wouldn't gamble on award availability being released
Apr 27, 2015, 6:49 am
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Apr 27, 2015, 6:54 am
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Hedonistic "flying J" desire and newer aircraft aside it is still LCC. If lounge access is at all important. If you want points for your money. If you want SC's, if you want alcohol for free, then it is not even worth looking at.
If you want to say "I am flying to SIN for a holiday in Business", then knock yourself out.
Apr 27, 2015, 7:09 am
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Apr 27, 2015, 2:23 pm
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Have you flown Scoot recently (or ever)? Took it on a golf and gambling trip a couple of months ago in biz with some mates and I would call it a mixture between mutton dressed up as lamb and putting lipstick on a pig.
Hedonistic "flying J" desire and newer aircraft aside it is still LCC. If lounge access is at all important. If you want points for your money. If you want SC's, if you want alcohol for free, then it is not even worth looking at.
If you want to say "I am flying to SIN for a holiday in Business", then knock yourself out.
Hedonistic "flying J" desire and newer aircraft aside it is still LCC. If lounge access is at all important. If you want points for your money. If you want SC's, if you want alcohol for free, then it is not even worth looking at.
If you want to say "I am flying to SIN for a holiday in Business", then knock yourself out.
I don'r want any alcohol , free or otherwise
So what if it is a LCC, Jetstar is too , yet wouldn't stop me using its "business class" for some trips - though like I did for Scoot, would view it as more a premium economy product
Points / SCs are the lowest on my concerns when booking flights - Schedule and comfort come ahead of that
Scoot's service to Singapore is a 5 hour evening service to Singapore with much more comfortable seating , 22" seat width and a 38" seat pitch for a price hardly any more than QF economy. Works for me
As for comparing agains a "real" business class - Qantas's business class on a 737 has 22" seat width and 37" seat pitch
Price however is $499 vs $2144
Last edited by Dave Noble; Apr 27, 2015 at 2:34 pm
Apr 27, 2015, 5:48 pm
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What's most important to me is comfort on the aeroplane - and for $50 dollars over the lowest fare that qantas is offering ks a no bvainer
I don'r want any alcohol , free or otherwise
So what if it is a LCC, Jetstar is too , yet wouldn't stop me using its "business class" for some trips - though like I did for Scoot, would view it as more a premium economy product
Points / SCs are the lowest on my concerns when booking flights - Schedule and comfort come ahead of that
Scoot's service to Singapore is a 5 hour evening service to Singapore with much more comfortable seating , 22" seat width and a 38" seat pitch for a price hardly any more than QF economy. Works for me
As for comparing agains a "real" business class - Qantas's business class on a 737 has 22" seat width and 37" seat pitch
Price however is $499 vs $2144
I don'r want any alcohol , free or otherwise
So what if it is a LCC, Jetstar is too , yet wouldn't stop me using its "business class" for some trips - though like I did for Scoot, would view it as more a premium economy product
Points / SCs are the lowest on my concerns when booking flights - Schedule and comfort come ahead of that
Scoot's service to Singapore is a 5 hour evening service to Singapore with much more comfortable seating , 22" seat width and a 38" seat pitch for a price hardly any more than QF economy. Works for me
As for comparing agains a "real" business class - Qantas's business class on a 737 has 22" seat width and 37" seat pitch
Price however is $499 vs $2144
In fact if I was made to take my shoes off when boarding the whole experience would be just like a childhood sleep over at Nanas.
So good for you Dave that you don't want alcohol, but many Australians and international visitors alike enjoy a glass of wine or a beer on a flight.
And good for you that you don't care about status credits and points, you would be well inside the only 1% of regular posters on this forum, and FF members who are Frequent Flyers in that regard.
If you want however an edible meal, if you want SC's, if you want a glass of red, if you want to use your well earned (or paid for) QP membership for lounge access in the 90 minutes before Boarding, if you want a wide choice of inflight movies, if you want a comfortable product, then QF Y is as good as Scoot biz. Get row 4 or an exit and you are laughing.
If you want a wide leather uncomfortable chair and the chance to say you flew biz then knock yourself out with Scoot.
Apr 27, 2015, 6:16 pm
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QF's 737s have such a wide array of films - reallly
Qantas's economy meals are an epicurean delight I am sure
Maybe some people go to bed at 6pm , however personally I am not interested in a bed at 6pm - and if I was, Qantas 737 is not what I would choose
If either was a night flight, I would be choosing another airline anyway
Given a choice between a 22" width / 38" pitch in scoot in a 2-3-2 layout or 17.2" width and 30" pitch on Qantas - it isn't the Qantas offering that I would be choosing
With the pricing - it is a comparison against QF economy that is logical to me. Seating wise, against a 737 business class, scoot isn't exactly far behind
QF may have better meals, but that is much less of an interest on a 5 hour journey to me
FF miles are an effect of travel and not something I try to allow affect making sensible decisions for travel.
Qantas's economy meals are an epicurean delight I am sure
Maybe some people go to bed at 6pm , however personally I am not interested in a bed at 6pm - and if I was, Qantas 737 is not what I would choose
If either was a night flight, I would be choosing another airline anyway
Given a choice between a 22" width / 38" pitch in scoot in a 2-3-2 layout or 17.2" width and 30" pitch on Qantas - it isn't the Qantas offering that I would be choosing
With the pricing - it is a comparison against QF economy that is logical to me. Seating wise, against a 737 business class, scoot isn't exactly far behind
QF may have better meals, but that is much less of an interest on a 5 hour journey to me
FF miles are an effect of travel and not something I try to allow affect making sensible decisions for travel.
Apr 27, 2015, 6:37 pm
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Somewhat insulting to those who make conscious decisions for travel to satisfy their requirements which may not indeed be by the shortest possible routing.