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Old Dec 16, 12, 1:41 am   #1
 
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Lounge Question in SYD

In roughly two weeks I will be flying on Cathay Pacific from SYD-JFK via HKG, my flight to HKG is in biz and my flight from HKG-JFK is in F. I would love to use the Qantas F lounge and I was wondering if Qantas will let me use their F lounge since one of my segments is in F and Cathay doesn't have an F lounge in HKG at the moment. I am also considering buying a Qantas ticket in F so that I can use their F lounge and was wondering if I will get a full refund if I cancel my ticket even after I have checked in.
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Old Dec 16, 12, 2:06 am   #2
 
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All the CX lounges at HKG are open. The Pier F lounge is open as normal. There is a temporary F section within the J part of The Wing. There is also the QF/BA J and F lounges.

Do you have any other oneworld status besides the AA lifetime Gold (Ruby)?

Which flights are you on?
QF should let you use the F lounge in SYD under oneworld rules if the HKG-JFK flight is the same day as the SYD-HKG. ie, if you are on CX110 or CX162, the morning departures out of SYD, connecting to CX840 or CX846, the late afternoon/evening departures HKG-JFK, they are same day and you should get in. Any other flights would be overnight from SYD or require an overnight in HKG, so you won't get SYD F access.
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Old Dec 16, 12, 2:19 am   #3
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Under OW rules, lounge access is based on departing flight, not just whether there is a flight that day from some airport

I know people who have been denied access to the Sydney First lounge when not departing in 1st from Sydney

from oneworld

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If your oneworldŽ frequent flyer tier status is Emerald or Sapphire, or as a First or Business Class traveller on a oneworld member airline, you can access more than 550 airport lounges throughout the world.

This means you can relax or catch up with work in comfort and style before departure, regardless of which oneworld member airline you choose to fly.
To be eligible, you must be departing on a flight that is both marketed and operated by a oneworld member airline
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Old Dec 16, 12, 3:23 am   #4
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The only exceptions in relation to oneworld COS based lounge access involve LHR with certain classes of connecting flights.

Other than that it's based on outbound flights - by oneworld rules SYD access will be to the Business lounge.
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Old Dec 16, 12, 4:21 am   #5
 
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I just have gold status, my HKG-JFK flight leaves at 1am, therefore it sounds like I will be in the biz lounge.
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Old Dec 16, 12, 5:23 am   #6
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....... I am also considering buying a Qantas ticket in F so that I can use their F lounge and was wondering if I will get a full refund if I cancel my ticket even after I have checked in.
I know of someone who purchased a full fare F ticket specifically to gain access to the SYD Flounge. This person then declined to travel and sought to leave the airport - back through immigration. The problem was finding their outbound immigration card. I understand the refund took about 6 weeks to be processed to their CC. IIRC the person said "it wasn't worth it".
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Old Dec 16, 12, 8:29 am   #7
 
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IIRC the person said "it wasn't worth it".
A full fare F ticket ex-AU would be well north of $10k. The 6 weeks that the money could've been earning interest in a high interest account would've earnt at least $60 in interest... (just to put a value on that lounge visit!).
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The only exceptions in relation to oneworld COS based lounge access involve LHR with certain classes of connecting flights.

Other than that it's based on outbound flights - by oneworld rules SYD access will be to the Business lounge.
Actually, it is a bit different, but I agree with you that the OP will be SOL.

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Customers flying in Economy class on a domestic or intra-European segment to connect to or from a oneworld longhaul First or Business Class flight can also use the lounge applicable to the class in which they are travelling on the longhaul segment.
http://www.oneworld.com/ffp/lounge-access/

So lounge access would be available in somewhere like OOL or CBR if flying in WHY and connecting in SYD or MEL onto an INT flight in F or J.

Not applicable to the OP, but worthy of mentioning anyway.

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Actually, it is a bit different, but I agree with you that the OP will be SOL.



http://www.oneworld.com/ffp/lounge-access/

So lounge access would be available in somewhere like OOL or CBR if flying in WHY and connecting in SYD or MEL onto an INT flight in F or J.

Not applicable to the OP, but worthy of mentioning anyway.

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I was generalising so did not go into detail as it would not assist the OP.

(Aside from that, I believe that's a QF rule for domestic Oz connections, not oneworld.)
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I was generalising so did not go into detail as it would not assist the OP.

(Aside from that, I believe that's a QF rule for domestic Oz connections, not oneworld.)
It is a potential case of poor grammar

It says "Domestic" or "Intra-European" ; SYD-MEL is domestic so meets the definition. Whether they meant Domestic within Europe , rather than domestic in general I am not sure

As far as the OP's question went, indeed it is irrelevent. Since OP is departing in business class, his lounge entitlement is to the business lounge

paying for a 1st class ticket to , say, Singapore at a cost of around $6500 seems remarkably pointless rather than having to slum it for an hour in a business class lounge
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Just ask at checkin for CX to give u an invitation. They prob will do it if u stress to them JFK is f class
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Old Dec 16, 12, 6:52 pm   #12
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Just ask at checkin for CX to give u an invitation. They prob will do it if u stress to them JFK is f class
That is an excellent suggestion if CX still give F lounge invitations at SYD. I thought they stopped having F service SYD-HKG, has it resumed? I recently booked QF SYD-HKG on the A380 in F but didn't bother to check CX availability (prefer A380 over the very fine CX F, though the caviar and Krug makes it a close call). Presumably the OP is flying J to HKG due to no F offered by CX. QF is quite happy with that lounge invitation, as there is a lot of dollars behind it
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Old Dec 16, 12, 7:06 pm   #13
 
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That is an excellent suggestion if CX still give F lounge invitations at SYD. I thought they stopped having F service SYD-HKG, has it resumed? I recently booked QF SYD-HKG on the A380 in F but didn't bother to check CX availability (prefer A380 over the very fine CX F, though the caviar and Krug makes it a close call). Presumably the OP is flying J to HKG due to no F offered by CX. QF is quite happy with that lounge invitation, as there is a lot of dollars behind it
They still issue F lounge invitations to OWEs.
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Old Dec 16, 12, 9:18 pm   #14
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They still issue F lounge invitations to OWEs.
Wy? OWE require no invitation, they are entitled to access the QF F lounge when flying CX that day. I suppose CX might issue invites to cargo club, or their other non-OW high-status pax ... maybe some hope for the OP with their Ruby status.
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Wy? OWE require no invitation, they are entitled to access the QF F lounge when flying CX that day. I suppose CX might issue invites to cargo club, or their other non-OW high-status pax ... maybe some hope for the OP with their Ruby status.
In my experience, CX always hands out lounge invitations to even when it isn't needed.
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