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[FARE GONE] J PEN-YVR $1758CDN o/w One World and friends. F option available.

Old Mar 6, 2016, 10:33 pm
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Fare Rules:
Fare basis code AA J PEN-YVR
Code:
FLIGHT APPLICATION	
BETWEEN CANADA AND AREA 3   
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING AA FLIGHTS 5100 THROUGH 5249.
  AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING AA FLIGHTS 6075 THROUGH 6124.
  AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR BUT NOT ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING AA FLIGHTS 7950 THROUGH 7969.

ADVANCE RES/TICKETING	UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
  STANDBY NOT PERMITTED.
  OPEN RETURNS PERMITTED.
         NOTE -
          TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          RESERVATIONS BOOKED 3 DAYS OR LESS PRIOR TO
          DEPARTURE MUST BE TICKETED WITHIN 24 HOURS.
          RESERVATIONS BOOKED 24 HOURS OR LESS PRIOR TO
          DEPARTURE MUST BE TICKETED WITHIN 3 HOURS.

STOPOVERS 
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED   NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.

TRANSFERS	UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
  UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT
    FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

PERMITTED COMBINATIONS	FOR ONE WAY FARES
   ADD-ONS PERMITTED.
  END-ON-END
    END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ADJACENT
    LINE OF FLIGHT FARE COMPONENTS ONLY. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA
    THE POINT OF COMBINATION.
     END-ON-END NOTE -
       ADD-ONS PERMITTED
  OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS
    FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
    -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS.
   PROVIDED -
     COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY
      RULE IN TARIFF
      IPRP    - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA PAC
      IPRPC   - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA PAC
      IPRSAAS - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 3 VIA PAC
      IPRSAPN - AREA 1-SOUTH WEST PACIFIC VIA PAC AND N.
                AMERICA
      OR RULE 7100/8005 IN TARIFF
      PAMAAR  - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 3 VIA PAC.

  CIRCLE TRIPS
    FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH
    ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF
    -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS.
   PROVIDED -
     COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN RULE
      7100/8005 IN TARIFF
      ATMAAR  - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
      OR ANY RULE IN TARIFF
      IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
      IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
      IPRP    - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA PAC
      IPRPC   - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 VIA PAC
      IPRSAAS - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 3 VIA PAC
      IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
                ATL
      IPRSAA3 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 3 VIA
                ATL
      IPRSAPN - AREA 1-SOUTH WEST PACIFIC VIA PAC AND N.
                AMERICA
      OR RULE 7100/8005 IN TARIFF
      PAMAAR  - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 3 VIA PAC.

SURCHARGES	BETWEEN CANADA AND MALAYSIA
  IF INFANT UNDER 02 WITHOUT A SEAT.
  OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02.
  OR - MILITARY INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02.
  OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02.
    A SECURITY SURCHARGE OF HKD 45 PER COUPON WILL BE ADDED
    TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR DEPARTURE FROM HKG AIRPORT.
         NOTE -
          THIS SECURITY SURCHARGE APPLIES TO -
            1/ INFANTS.
            2/ PASSENGERS TRANSFERRING/TRANSITING HONG KONG.
            3/ PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON INDUSTRY/AGENCY
               DISCOUNT /ID/AD/ TICKETS.
            4/ PASSENGERS HOLDING DIPLOMATIC PASSPORTS.
  THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
  TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR US.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR AY.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR BA.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR IB.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR JL.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA OR QF.
    THERE IS NO CHARGE PER FARE COMPONENT FOR TRANSPACIFIC
    SECTORS.
         NOTE -
          YR FEE MAY APPLY
    AND - AN AIRPORT/TERMINAL SURCHARGE OF CAD 15.00 PER
          COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR
          DEPARTURE FROM CANADA.
         NOTE -
          THIS NAVIGATION SURCHARGE APPLIES TO ADT/CNN
          AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.
    AND - AN AIRPORT/TERMINAL SURCHARGE OF CAD 15.00 PER
          COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR
          ARRIVAL IN CANADA.
         NOTE -
          THIS NAVIGATION SURCHARGE APPLIES TO ADT/CNN
          AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.
    AND - A SECURITY SURCHARGE OF HKD 45 PER COUPON WILL BE
          ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR DEPARTURE FROM
          HKG AIRPORT.
         NOTE -
          THIS SECURITY SURCHARGE APPLIES TO -
            1/ PASSENGERS TRANSFERRING/TRANSITING HONG KONG.
            2/ PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON INDUSTRY/AGENCY
               DISCOUNT /ID/AD/ TICKETS.
            3/ PASSENGERS HOLDING DIPLOMATIC PASSPORTS.
    AND - ORIGINATING MALAYSIA -
      A SURCHARGE OF USD 134.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL BE
      ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR TRAVEL FOR
      TRANSPACIFIC SECTORS.
         NOTE -
          THIS SURCHARGE APPLIES IN ADDITION TO ALL OTHER
          CHARGES AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.
          THIS SURCHARGE WILL NOT APPLY TO PASSENGERS
          TRAVELLING ON FREE TICKETS.
    AND - AN AIRPORT/TERMINAL SURCHARGE OF CAD 15.00 PER
          COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR
          DEPARTURE FROM CANADA.
         NOTE -
          THIS NAVIGATION SURCHARGE APPLIES TO ADT/CNN
          AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.
    AND - AN AIRPORT/TERMINAL SURCHARGE OF CAD 15.00 PER
          COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR
          ARRIVAL IN CANADA.
         NOTE -
          THIS NAVIGATION SURCHARGE APPLIES TO ADT/CNN
          AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.
    AND - A SECURITY SURCHARGE OF HKD 45 PER COUPON WILL BE
          ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR DEPARTURE FROM
          HKG AIRPORT.
         NOTE -
          THIS SECURITY SURCHARGE APPLIES TO -
            1/ PASSENGERS TRANSFERRING/TRANSITING HONG KONG.
            2/ PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON INDUSTRY/AGENCY
               DISCOUNT /ID/AD/ TICKETS.
            3/ PASSENGERS HOLDING DIPLOMATIC PASSPORTS.

SALES RESTRICTIONS	UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
  TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING.
  TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/ARGENTINA.
  TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.

PENALTIES	UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
         NOTE -
          FOR TRAVEL AGENCY BOOKINGS MADE IN MEXICO / THE
          CARIBBEAN / CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA - AA WILL
          ASSESS A USD 25.00 FEE ON ANY UNTICKETED
          RESERVATION NOT CANCELED BEFORE DEPARTURE.

CHILDREN DISCOUNTS	BETWEEN CANADA AND AREA 3
  ORIGINATING AREA 3 -
    ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH
    OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF
           THE FARE.
               TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH
    OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT
           OF THE FARE.
               TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN
    OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-14 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF
           THE FARE.
         NOTE -
          UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 5 6 AND 7 YEARS OF AGE WILL
          ONLY BE TRANSPORTED OVER THE LINES OF AA NON-STOP
          OR THROUGH PLANE SERVICE.

FOR J- TYPE FARES
  ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
        TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
    MUST BE ACCOMPANIED IN SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 16 OR
      OLDER
  OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF
         THE FARE.
             TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
         MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
           COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 16 OR OLDER
  OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT
         OF THE FARE.
             TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
         MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
           COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 16 OR OLDER.
         NOTE -
          WHEN TRAVEL INCLUDES BOTH DOMESTIC AND
          INTERNATIONAL SERVICE AND DIFFERENT
          INFANT FARES APPLY - THE FARE NEED NOT
          BE MORE THAN THE SUM OF THE APPLICABLE
          FARES FOR THE DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL
          PORTIONS.
  OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-14 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
         FARE.
         NOTE -
          UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 5 6 AND 7 YEARS OF AGE WILL
          ONLY BE TRANSPORTED OVER THE LINES OF AA NON-STOP
          OR THROUGH PLANE SERVICE.

TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS	UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
         NOTE -
          DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
          AT THIS TIME...CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
          THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR TRAVEL ON OTHER
          AIRLINE OPERATED CODE SHARE FLIGHTS.

AGENT DISCOUNTS	UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
         NOTE -
          DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
          AT THIS TIME. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
          THIS RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR TRAVEL ON OTHER
          AIRLINE OPERATED CODE SHARE FLIGHTS.

ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS	UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
  THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
  TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON AA. SALE IS RESTRICTED TO
  SPECIFIC AGENTS.
  FARES MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY AA AND MAY NOT BE SOLD BY TRAVEL
  AGENTS.
  PASSENGER OCCUPYING TWO SEATS. ID REQUIRED - CHARGE 100
    PERCENT OF THE FARE.
        TICKET DESIGNATOR - SEAT.
         NOTE -
          APPLICATION---
          FARES APPLY TO A PASSENGER PERMITTED THE
          EXCLUSIVE USE OF TWO ADJACENT SEATS.
  SENIOR CITIZEN 65 OR OLDER. ID REQUIRED - NO DISCOUNT.
         NOTE -
          RULE 1810 - SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY
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[FARE GONE] J PEN-YVR $1758CDN o/w One World and friends. F option available.

Old Mar 6, 2016, 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by skunker
thanks skunker ^
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Old Mar 6, 2016, 10:35 am
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Anyone positioning from or through Europe you can fly First on the MH A380, which is supposed to be great, would you jump on that? Anyone nervous flying MH long haul, with their two recent 777 losses? They also have financial problems and likely some management problems and there is some terrorism risk in the country.

Is anyone avoiding the MH sectors?

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Old Mar 6, 2016, 11:36 am
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Originally Posted by nk15
Anyone positioning from or through Europe you can fly First on the MH A380, which is supposed to be great, would you jump on that? Anyone nervous flying MH long haul, with their two recent 777 losses? They also have financial problems and likely some management problems and there is some terrorism risk in the country.

Is anyone avoiding the MH sectors?
No MH F isn't fantastic (good and competent but sans polish and squalor of ME3), no I don't feel nervous flying MH or KE or OZ, and yes your odds of dying by firearms in the US is significantly higher than dying in MH and yet I've never seen people post something in the same line of tone-deafness dressed up as concern :/
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Old Mar 6, 2016, 12:42 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15
Anyone positioning from or through Europe you can fly First on the MH A380, which is supposed to be great, would you jump on that? Anyone nervous flying MH long haul, with their two recent 777 losses? They also have financial problems and likely some management problems and there is some terrorism risk in the country.

Is anyone avoiding the MH sectors?
More people die every day in America before breakfast from gun violence than died I the 2 MH777's combined.
Neither crash was directly the fault of MH.

Terrorism risk is world wide. And so are financial problems.
Relax and enjoy. Just don't go to the beach. There may be a tsunami.
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Old Mar 6, 2016, 1:05 pm
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Easy to book KA flight that is nonstop PEN-HKG and flies twice daily, if you really are deadset against MH. If you book on AA.com just do segment by segment search, make sure to check nonstop and the dragon air flights should come up.

I re-read the fare rules and it's one of those fares that does allow changing other than first segment without fee or recalculation. So if you booked a 23 hour stopover in HKG like I did, and wife barfs on the idea, it should be easy to change to tighter connections. Key is to make no change to first segment. But it's sure easy to find J availability for five ;-)

I'm still on the fence about my booking. It's to replace five awards that routed back from Asia to SEA through Chicago, and it was a bit less direct than we wanted. And while this routing is much more direct home, it does involve getting from REP to PEN at the end of our trip in Asia ( which I now see involves routing through Kuala Lumpur). It also raises the question of whether I can make any use of 275k miles we would be returning back to advantage account, with the March 22 devaluation rapidly approaching.
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Old Mar 6, 2016, 1:46 pm
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Originally Posted by stephem
And while this routing is much more direct home, it does involve getting from REP to PEN at the end of our trip in Asia ( which I now see involves routing through Kuala Lumpur).
I don't know your timeframe, but AirAsia typically has very nicely priced one-ways from REP to PEN via KUL (~ USD 50 all-in). During our one-and-only visit to Penang, we really enjoyed the Seven Terraces hotel in George Town (and had a very nice dinner in their Kebaya restaurant).

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Old Mar 6, 2016, 3:22 pm
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Originally Posted by jbalmuth
I don't know your timeframe, but AirAsia typically has very nicely priced one-ways from REP to PEN via KUL (~ USD 50 all-in). During our one-and-only visit to Penang, we really enjoyed the Seven Terraces hotel in George Town (and had a very nice dinner in their Kebaya restaurant).

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Old Mar 6, 2016, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by jbalmuth
I don't know your timeframe, but AirAsia typically has very nicely priced one-ways from REP to PEN via KUL (~ USD 50 all-in). During our one-and-only visit to Penang, we really enjoyed the Seven Terraces hotel in George Town (and had a very nice dinner in their Kebaya restaurant).
I wouldn't touch AirAsia if I were you. It too had a major accident last year though some people may have forgot already. Despite the twin tragedies, MH is still very much a safe airline given that it has passed pretty much all the internationally recognized tests for safety and continue to maintain a solid safety rating and record. AirAsia, on the other hand, is being cited for many safety concerns and especially its subsidiary in Indonesia, not recommended for anyone who value their lives to fly.

I flew MH multiple times, internationally and within Malaysia, late last year and can only say that it is a very average airline so I don't understand how it got 5 stars Skytrax rating before the MH 370 incident. CX/KA to me, offers much superior regional business class products than MH.

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Old Mar 6, 2016, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by tracon
More people die every day in America before breakfast from gun violence than died I the 2 MH777's combined.
Neither crash was directly the fault of MH.

Terrorism risk is world wide. And so are financial problems.
Relax and enjoy. Just don't go to the beach. There may be a tsunami.
That's unknown/debatable.

The tsunami comment is also kinda of silly, there is only some piracy at the Strait of Malacca, but no different from what can happen to you in a Hudson river cruise (before breakfast).
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Old Mar 6, 2016, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15
That's unknown/debatable.

The tsunami comment is also kinda of silly, there is only some piracy at the Strait of Malacca, but no different from what can happen to you in a Hudson river cruise (before breakfast).
He's being facetious.
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Old Mar 6, 2016, 4:38 pm
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Originally Posted by stephem
Easy to book KA flight that is nonstop PEN-HKG and flies twice daily, if you really are deadset against MH. If you book on AA.com just do segment by segment search, make sure to check nonstop and the dragon air flights should come up.

I re-read the fare rules and it's one of those fares that does allow changing other than first segment without fee or recalculation. So if you booked a 23 hour stopover in HKG like I did, and wife barfs on the idea, it should be easy to change to tighter connections. Key is to make no change to first segment. But it's sure easy to find J availability for five ;-)

I'm still on the fence about my booking. It's to replace five awards that routed back from Asia to SEA through Chicago, and it was a bit less direct than we wanted. And while this routing is much more direct home, it does involve getting from REP to PEN at the end of our trip in Asia ( which I now see involves routing through Kuala Lumpur). It also raises the question of whether I can make any use of 275k miles we would be returning back to advantage account, with the March 22 devaluation rapidly approaching.
I saw the KA options but was hoping to get the whole itin on AA numbers. I am also trying to fit in a very long layover in KUL somewhere either at the beginning or end of the trip to briefly see KUL.

Good to know about the likely no change fee after departure, that could come handy.

As for your dilemma, there will still be life for AA miles even after devaluation, you don't have to spend everything now, you can still spend miles later for reasonably good redemptions like J awards Europe-India, and J to Europe and S.America 1&2.

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Old Mar 6, 2016, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by brokenwindow
He's being facetious.
I know he is being sarcastic-facetious, I am being sarcastic-facetious on he's being sarcastic-facetious...
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anyone got stopovers to work? i tried to break more than 24 hours at SFO but the price went up
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Old Mar 6, 2016, 5:23 pm
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Hi guys,

this is a fully-refundable fare (both in J and F), right? Also, in terms of elite status qualification, with the new AA program how far will this fare take me? I am pondering buying this vs using miles.

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Originally Posted by epigram
anyone got stopovers to work? i tried to break more than 24 hours at SFO but the price went up
I have some mixed news for you guys, I was able to get a stopover at HKG with no reprice, but no luck at KUL. I didn't try other locations.

Used AA multicity tool, with setting set to "AA and partners".
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