Sep 28, 2016, 9:18 pm
Last edit by: wanderlust4life
LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
LOUNGE ACCESS:
Recent fare rule inclusions now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
LAX AIRPORT
= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. UIO is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.
= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from UIO unless booking transcons since UIO is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.
AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the UIO flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + UIO = Technically NONE (UIO under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>
AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from UIO. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + UIO = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>
AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from UIO on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + UIO = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + UIO = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + UIO) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + UIO) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + UIO) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>
OTHER AIRPORTS
SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
UIO - No lounge access (Priority Pass lounge available)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. UIO is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.
= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from UIO unless booking transcons since UIO is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.
AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the UIO flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + UIO = Technically NONE (UIO under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>
AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from UIO. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + UIO = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>
AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from UIO on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + UIO = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + UIO = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + UIO) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + UIO) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + UIO) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>
OTHER AIRPORTS
SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
UIO - No lounge access (Priority Pass lounge available)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
AA: LAX-MIA-UIO RT Biz $858: 8256 flown miles
Apr 21, 2016, 1:07 am
#46
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Los Angeles, Ca. USA
Programs: AA EXP 2.1MM, SPG Plat
Posts: 76
Flight Depart LAX-MIAS-UIO-MIA-MCO-LAX $757 as of 04/18/2016. 17266 EQM and 25581 RDM
American Airlines
#2471 Los Angeles (LAX) May 21, 2016 09:45 PM
Travel Time : 5 h 0 m Cabin Class : First Seat
Miami (MIA) May 22, 2016 05:45 AM
Booking Code : P Plane Type : 32B
American Airlines
#947 Miami (MIA) May 22, 2016 09:51 AM
Travel Time : 4 h 23 m Cabin Class : Business Seat :
Quito (UIO) May 22, 2016 01:14 PM
Booking Code : I Plane Type : 757
Flight Depart Arrive
American Airlines
932
#932 Quito (UIO) May 24, 2016 07:00 AM
Travel Time : 4 h 6 m Cabin Class : Business Seat :
Miami (MIA) May 24, 2016 12:06 PM
Booking Code : I Plane Type : 763
American Airlines
#2464 Miami (MIA) May 24, 2016 02:00 PM
Travel Time : 1 h 3 m Cabin Class : First Seat :
Orlando (MCO) May 24, 2016 03:03 PM
Booking Code : P Plane Type : 757
American Airlines
#178 Orlando (MCO) May 24, 2016 06:25 PM
Travel Time : 5 h 33 m Cabin Class : First Seat :
Los Angeles (LAX) May 24, 2016 08:58 PM
Booking Code : P Plane Type : 32B
Myself and another frequent flier will be on this trip. Will be happy to meet fellow frequent fliers.
American Airlines
#2471 Los Angeles (LAX) May 21, 2016 09:45 PM
Travel Time : 5 h 0 m Cabin Class : First Seat
Miami (MIA) May 22, 2016 05:45 AM
Booking Code : P Plane Type : 32B
American Airlines
#947 Miami (MIA) May 22, 2016 09:51 AM
Travel Time : 4 h 23 m Cabin Class : Business Seat :
Quito (UIO) May 22, 2016 01:14 PM
Booking Code : I Plane Type : 757
Flight Depart Arrive
American Airlines
932
#932 Quito (UIO) May 24, 2016 07:00 AM
Travel Time : 4 h 6 m Cabin Class : Business Seat :
Miami (MIA) May 24, 2016 12:06 PM
Booking Code : I Plane Type : 763
American Airlines
#2464 Miami (MIA) May 24, 2016 02:00 PM
Travel Time : 1 h 3 m Cabin Class : First Seat :
Orlando (MCO) May 24, 2016 03:03 PM
Booking Code : P Plane Type : 757
American Airlines
#178 Orlando (MCO) May 24, 2016 06:25 PM
Travel Time : 5 h 33 m Cabin Class : First Seat :
Los Angeles (LAX) May 24, 2016 08:58 PM
Booking Code : P Plane Type : 32B
Myself and another frequent flier will be on this trip. Will be happy to meet fellow frequent fliers.
Last edited by minyung; Apr 21, 2016 at 1:11 am Reason: Additional info
Apr 21, 2016, 9:22 am
#47
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: NYC
Programs: SPG Platinum, IHG Platinum, Hilton Gold, AA Executive Platinum
Posts: 51
But yeah, granted, the AA transcon three class service looks better. Never flown, but I've seen the pictures.
Apr 21, 2016, 11:45 am
#48
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PHX
Posts: 41
I'm doing this run from LAX on May 6. I'm going to try to do same day change to get into quito in afternoon instead of at night to see little bit of the city. Before I was going for better planes and little longer lounge time at MIA but hearing so many equipment changes to older 767, it might be better to check out a new city instead of airport walls. For those who have done this run already, how is the lounge? Do they enforce the 3 hour maximum rule like alot of the asian priority pass lounges? If I get in at night, planning on spending the night at lounge instead of going into town.
Aug 15, 2016, 12:16 pm
#51
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: AA EXP, SPG PLT, Carlson/HHonors GLD, National Ex, Hertz Gld, AMEX Plat
Posts: 344
Just booked this for Dec 9-12, with the return through JFK. $814 ai. Seems there are still dates available through the fall/winter. Has anyone who's done this had the 11pm arrival and gone into the city via cab? I'm going with a friend, and we're both women. Any advice on safety, places to see/avoid, etc? Thinking of staying at the Sheraton.
Aug 16, 2016, 1:48 am
#53
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP, HH Diamond
Posts: 17
Try this routing for $841 and 21,408 EQM joetraveler
LAX-JFK 09/18/2016 09:15PM 2:25HR Layover AA10 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
JFK-MIA 09/19/2016 08:15AM 6:00HR Layover AA200 763 First Lie Flat Seat
MIA-UIO 09/19/2016 06:14PM 9:40HR Layover AA939 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
UIO-MIA 09/20/2016 07:00AM 2:00HR Layover AA932 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
MIA-JFK 09/20/2016 02:05PM 3:00HR Layover AA1048 752 First Class Recliner Seat
JFK-LAX 09/20/2016 08:00PM AA293 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
Aug 16, 2016, 8:20 am
#54
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 97
Try this routing for $841 and 21,408 EQM joetraveler
LAX-JFK 09/18/2016 09:15PM 2:25HR Layover AA10 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
JFK-MIA 09/19/2016 08:15AM 6:00HR Layover AA200 763 First Lie Flat Seat
MIA-UIO 09/19/2016 06:14PM 9:40HR Layover AA939 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
UIO-MIA 09/20/2016 07:00AM 2:00HR Layover AA932 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
MIA-JFK 09/20/2016 02:05PM 3:00HR Layover AA1048 752 First Class Recliner Seat
JFK-LAX 09/20/2016 08:00PM AA293 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
LAX-JFK 09/18/2016 09:15PM 2:25HR Layover AA10 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
JFK-MIA 09/19/2016 08:15AM 6:00HR Layover AA200 763 First Lie Flat Seat
MIA-UIO 09/19/2016 06:14PM 9:40HR Layover AA939 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
UIO-MIA 09/20/2016 07:00AM 2:00HR Layover AA932 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
MIA-JFK 09/20/2016 02:05PM 3:00HR Layover AA1048 752 First Class Recliner Seat
JFK-LAX 09/20/2016 08:00PM AA293 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
Aug 16, 2016, 9:05 am
#55
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Programs: AA EXP/LTP, BA GGL/CCR/GfL, HH D/LTD, SPG/MR Plat/LTP
Posts: 10,076
Hard to think it's booked into full fare, if discounted First , it's double miles, just like discounted Business.
Cabin Purchased fares booked in**.............EQMs per mile flown***
Full Fare First/Business F, J..................................3.00
Discount First/Business A, P, D, I, R.......................2.00
Full Fare First/Business F, J..................................3.00
Discount First/Business A, P, D, I, R.......................2.00
Aug 16, 2016, 8:41 pm
#56
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP, HH Diamond
Posts: 17
No becasue it is a discounted business/first fare but more importantly is earning 21,408 EQM. someone can from no status to Executive Platinum for as little as $4,300 and 10 days traveling based on the above mentioned fare.
Aug 16, 2016, 11:49 pm
#57
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: NYC
Programs: SPG Platinum, IHG Platinum, Hilton Gold, AA Executive Platinum
Posts: 51
Just booked this for Dec 9-12, with the return through JFK. $814 ai. Seems there are still dates available through the fall/winter. Has anyone who's done this had the 11pm arrival and gone into the city via cab? I'm going with a friend, and we're both women. Any advice on safety, places to see/avoid, etc? Thinking of staying at the Sheraton.
It's by far the nicest Sheraton I've seen. Definitely worth staying at. I'm SPG gold and was upgraded both times and given access to club lounge via my SPG Amex Bussiness card. Lounge is pretty good for breakfast and dinner. There's also a good restaurant in the hotel as well as plenty of restaurants in the area. I had about 36 hours each time and lot of sleep to catch up on, but I did lot of walking around the Sheraton area, there's a big park nearby that locals enjoy during the weekend. Cool people watching spot. I took a cable car called Teleferico to the top of the mountain. Amazing views of the city and you can do a little hiking up top, or a lot of hiking if you want to. Just remember that you'll be in a pretty thin air. You'll most likely feel the altitude even in the city, so going to 13000 plus feet is not gonna make breathing any easier. It can get pretty cold too. This was a highlight of Quito for me though, and I'm not particularly outdoorsy.
Old town is pretty cool too. I took a cab from Teleferico to old town. From old town you can walk to pretty impressive cathedral too.
Plaza Foch is also worth strolling around. Lots of bars and restaurants.
As for safety I think you're absolutely fine in all main areas during the day. People recommend sticking to cabs at night. Which I guess does make sense, but I did not feel unsafe at any point. I also live in NYC, so other people's threshold my be different. You do see lot of heavy armed security guys by banks, shopping malls, hospital etc. I assume they are there for a reason....
But again, I did not notice anything that would make me pause, or make me worry.
Enjoy your trip!
Aug 17, 2016, 1:41 am
#58
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Austin, TX, USA
Posts: 51
Try this routing for $841 and 21,408 EQM joetraveler
LAX-JFK 09/18/2016 09:15PM 2:25HR Layover AA10 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
JFK-MIA 09/19/2016 08:15AM 6:00HR Layover AA200 763 First Lie Flat Seat
MIA-UIO 09/19/2016 06:14PM 9:40HR Layover AA939 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
UIO-MIA 09/20/2016 07:00AM 2:00HR Layover AA932 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
MIA-JFK 09/20/2016 02:05PM 3:00HR Layover AA1048 752 First Class Recliner Seat
JFK-LAX 09/20/2016 08:00PM AA293 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
LAX-JFK 09/18/2016 09:15PM 2:25HR Layover AA10 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
JFK-MIA 09/19/2016 08:15AM 6:00HR Layover AA200 763 First Lie Flat Seat
MIA-UIO 09/19/2016 06:14PM 9:40HR Layover AA939 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
UIO-MIA 09/20/2016 07:00AM 2:00HR Layover AA932 763 Business Lie Flat Seat
MIA-JFK 09/20/2016 02:05PM 3:00HR Layover AA1048 752 First Class Recliner Seat
JFK-LAX 09/20/2016 08:00PM AA293 A321 Business Lie Flat Seat
When booking on AA's website, should I list the Program as AAdvantage or BA (as I collect miles via BA Chase card)? I haven't flown AA or BA in many years.
Lounge Access: As I read the AA website I'd have access to the Admirals Club in NYC after the LAX-JFK leg (is access allowed in LAX as well?) but I'm not clear about Miami due to the exclusions and flight length rules.
I cannot seem to make the JFK-LAX leg work without the price increasing to ~$1,500 when using the AA website and, of course, Google Flights only allows 5 legs. When pricing that leg separately it runs $400+
Aug 17, 2016, 5:42 am
#59
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: TPA
Posts: 132
Using Google Flights for this itinerary should only require 4 legs: LAX-JFK, JFK-UIU, UIO-JFK, JFK-LAX
I would use the AA number if this is a status run, but the BA experts will weigh in on how it would impact BA status.
You should have access to the LAX AC since you're flying in business class. Oneworld in TBIT may require Platinum status or better. If you're not Plat, consider an AA Plat challenge as you'd qualify after this run. You should also have access in MIA.
I would use the AA number if this is a status run, but the BA experts will weigh in on how it would impact BA status.
You should have access to the LAX AC since you're flying in business class. Oneworld in TBIT may require Platinum status or better. If you're not Plat, consider an AA Plat challenge as you'd qualify after this run. You should also have access in MIA.
I have a few questions as this is a bit new to me.
When booking on AA's website, should I list the Program as AAdvantage or BA (as I collect miles via BA Chase card)? I haven't flown AA or BA in many years.
Lounge Access: As I read the AA website I'd have access to the Admirals Club in NYC after the LAX-JFK leg (is access allowed in LAX as well?) but I'm not clear about Miami due to the exclusions and flight length rules.
I cannot seem to make the JFK-LAX leg work without the price increasing to ~$1,500 when using the AA website and, of course, Google Flights only allows 5 legs. When pricing that leg separately it runs $400+
When booking on AA's website, should I list the Program as AAdvantage or BA (as I collect miles via BA Chase card)? I haven't flown AA or BA in many years.
Lounge Access: As I read the AA website I'd have access to the Admirals Club in NYC after the LAX-JFK leg (is access allowed in LAX as well?) but I'm not clear about Miami due to the exclusions and flight length rules.
I cannot seem to make the JFK-LAX leg work without the price increasing to ~$1,500 when using the AA website and, of course, Google Flights only allows 5 legs. When pricing that leg separately it runs $400+
Aug 17, 2016, 9:45 am
#60
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: TPA
Programs: BA Silver; Hilton Gold; IHG Diamond Ambassador; Marriott Gold
Posts: 2,811
I have a few questions as this is a bit new to me.
When booking on AA's website, should I list the Program as AAdvantage or BA (as I collect miles via BA Chase card)? I haven't flown AA or BA in many years.
Lounge Access: As I read the AA website I'd have access to the Admirals Club in NYC after the LAX-JFK leg (is access allowed in LAX as well?) but I'm not clear about Miami due to the exclusions and flight length rules.
I cannot seem to make the JFK-LAX leg work without the price increasing to ~$1,500 when using the AA website and, of course, Google Flights only allows 5 legs. When pricing that leg separately it runs $400+
When booking on AA's website, should I list the Program as AAdvantage or BA (as I collect miles via BA Chase card)? I haven't flown AA or BA in many years.
Lounge Access: As I read the AA website I'd have access to the Admirals Club in NYC after the LAX-JFK leg (is access allowed in LAX as well?) but I'm not clear about Miami due to the exclusions and flight length rules.
I cannot seem to make the JFK-LAX leg work without the price increasing to ~$1,500 when using the AA website and, of course, Google Flights only allows 5 legs. When pricing that leg separately it runs $400+
Your lounge access will depend on your AA or BA status, and what class your flights will be in. I'm guessing "none" on the status. MIA-UIO is apparently under the 5 hours needed for Business or First to help you there. B or F on LAX-JFK would get you access, and the rules don't say you're limited to those two, so MIA might then be available as well.
Best place to get answers on these questions would be the Lounge Access thread.