(BUSINESS) OW RT AMS,CDG,FRA+ - GRU,GIG+ ~1808 A.I. Route Thru N.A.
Apr 1, 2015, 10:39 am
#16
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Try one of the TAs here that have offered to help book premium fares. They can help squeeze true value out of these kinds of fares. Worth the small fee.
Apr 1, 2015, 10:49 am
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Apr 1, 2015, 10:52 am
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Not obvious at all. OW=OneWorld, O/W=One way, quite simple I'd think. This was even followed directly by RT which has no other confusing possibilities so it certainly wasn't meant as One Way. I seriously opened the thread only because I thought 1W might have been the IATA code for some new or obscure airline we don't come across often and was curious what it was. Research inspired by the misnomer in this title has revealed that actually 1W IATA code is reserved for one of the GDS companies and will never be used in an airline but didn't know before today.
Apr 1, 2015, 11:05 am
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Code:
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.
Apr 1, 2015, 1:04 pm
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For example, if you route AMS-LHR-MIA-SCL-MIA(STOP)-LHR-AMS the system checks whether SCL-MIA is more expensive than SCL-AMS. If it is then it prices the whole trip as AMS-SCL (1/2 R/T price) + SCL-MIA + MIA-AMS.
EDIT: It looks like ITA is pricing the return with stopover into a higher I fare. Same result--no stopover on the cheap fare.
Last edited by skunker; Apr 1, 2015 at 1:17 pm
Apr 2, 2015, 4:57 pm
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It was World Air Leasing Gambia, but it is not currently in use.
MPM is 7293
[I had a discussion with ITA Hacker about the fare specifier. It doesn't work the way you would think. If you force a fare component, it actually applies as a filter after the search is done. So in a complex search if ITA's algorithm did not find your desired fare as one of the cheapest in the first pass, then you will get zero flights returned, even though, for instance, the fare component may be a completely valid way of covering your desired sectors.
So in that sense it doesn't guide ITA into finding the right fare, and therefore in some sense is not very helpful for price optimization purposes.
If you've ever seen the price drop substantially on the second page of an ITA search (after you've picked a few sectors), it means that ITA did not find the cheapest fares the first time through and only found a better deal once you had pinned down a few sectors.
ITA Hacker filed a bug report for me but he/she claims it was a low priority.]
Back to the fare: apparently will book into Y or Z on LX, I'll believe it when I see it.
BA and IB have been offering similar fares. Check also ex ROM and ex PAR since that is where the competition is strongest.
I've found plenty of JFK, DFW, ORD, PIT and MIA connections using ITA and limiting to AA+ I think LAX may exceed MPM?
As for LX, if you do a segment by segment search and specify the fare basis in the advanced routing codes, you'll probably find other connections in EU, including LX. That's how I usually find those oddball connections that are allowed. Often requires TA to book them them.
As for LX, if you do a segment by segment search and specify the fare basis in the advanced routing codes, you'll probably find other connections in EU, including LX. That's how I usually find those oddball connections that are allowed. Often requires TA to book them them.
Code:
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG 1 INE7A7Q1 I‡R 1375.00 D30NV T14AP 7/3 7/12M AT01 PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES FROM-AMS TO-SAO CXR-AA TVL-02APR15 RULE-A089 IPRSAA2/27 FARE BASIS-INE7A7Q1 SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP FARE TYPE-BND RT-BUSINESS CLASS NON-DISCOUNTABLE EUR 1276.00 MPM E07FEB15 D30NOV15 FC-INE7A7Q1 FN-19 SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 06FEB15/1317 EXPIRES INFINITY PUBLISHED RTG AMS-SAO/AA EF-07FEB15 DIS-INDEF /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 7293 MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION .
So in that sense it doesn't guide ITA into finding the right fare, and therefore in some sense is not very helpful for price optimization purposes.
If you've ever seen the price drop substantially on the second page of an ITA search (after you've picked a few sectors), it means that ITA did not find the cheapest fares the first time through and only found a better deal once you had pinned down a few sectors.
ITA Hacker filed a bug report for me but he/she claims it was a low priority.]
Back to the fare: apparently will book into Y or Z on LX, I'll believe it when I see it.
BA and IB have been offering similar fares. Check also ex ROM and ex PAR since that is where the competition is strongest.
Last edited by Calchas; Apr 2, 2015 at 5:05 pm
Apr 3, 2015, 4:16 am
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Great info. I'll give it another try.
It was World Air Leasing Gambia, but it is not currently in use.
MPM is 7293
[I had a discussion with ITA Hacker about the fare specifier. It doesn't work the way you would think. If you force a fare component, it actually applies as a filter after the search is done. So in a complex search if ITA's algorithm did not find your desired fare as one of the cheapest in the first pass, then you will get zero flights returned, even though, for instance, the fare component may be a completely valid way of covering your desired sectors.
So in that sense it doesn't guide ITA into finding the right fare, and therefore in some sense is not very helpful for price optimization purposes.
If you've ever seen the price drop substantially on the second page of an ITA search (after you've picked a few sectors), it means that ITA did not find the cheapest fares the first time through and only found a better deal once you had pinned down a few sectors.
ITA Hacker filed a bug report for me but he/she claims it was a low priority.]
Back to the fare: apparently will book into Y or Z on LX, I'll believe it when I see it.
BA and IB have been offering similar fares. Check also ex ROM and ex PAR since that is where the competition is strongest.
MPM is 7293
Code:
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG 1 INE7A7Q1 I‡R 1375.00 D30NV T14AP 7/3 7/12M AT01 PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES FROM-AMS TO-SAO CXR-AA TVL-02APR15 RULE-A089 IPRSAA2/27 FARE BASIS-INE7A7Q1 SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP FARE TYPE-BND RT-BUSINESS CLASS NON-DISCOUNTABLE EUR 1276.00 MPM E07FEB15 D30NOV15 FC-INE7A7Q1 FN-19 SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 06FEB15/1317 EXPIRES INFINITY PUBLISHED RTG AMS-SAO/AA EF-07FEB15 DIS-INDEF /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 7293 MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION .
So in that sense it doesn't guide ITA into finding the right fare, and therefore in some sense is not very helpful for price optimization purposes.
If you've ever seen the price drop substantially on the second page of an ITA search (after you've picked a few sectors), it means that ITA did not find the cheapest fares the first time through and only found a better deal once you had pinned down a few sectors.
ITA Hacker filed a bug report for me but he/she claims it was a low priority.]
Back to the fare: apparently will book into Y or Z on LX, I'll believe it when I see it.
BA and IB have been offering similar fares. Check also ex ROM and ex PAR since that is where the competition is strongest.
Apr 8, 2015, 9:14 pm
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FCO-ORD-DFW-GRU-MIA/JFK-LHR-ATH, and the price goes to $2132-67, for 20.5K. If I try to force GRU-DFW-LHR-ATH, price jumps to $8K.
Has anyone been able to get more success?
Apr 9, 2015, 9:31 am
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Not sure exactly what's breaking here, but I can price out many dates for the above on ITA, but OTA can only find something like:
FCO-ORD-DFW-GRU-MIA/JFK-LHR-ATH, and the price goes to $2132-67, for 20.5K. If I try to force GRU-DFW-LHR-ATH, price jumps to $8K.
Has anyone been able to get more success?
FCO-ORD-DFW-GRU-MIA/JFK-LHR-ATH, and the price goes to $2132-67, for 20.5K. If I try to force GRU-DFW-LHR-ATH, price jumps to $8K.
Has anyone been able to get more success?
