Help us set rules for the Premium Fare subforum
Nov 26, 2014, 8:35 am
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Agreed, but it doesn't necessarily need to be specified in the title, at least not at the front. Codes vary a lot, whereas naming the cabin is consistent, and much clearer — only two or three easily spotted terms. The specific fare code can be tacked onto the end of the title or elaborated upon in the post body.
Nov 26, 2014, 8:55 am
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Nov 26, 2014, 9:11 am
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My point was just that it doesn't belong in the thread title. It's secondary information (many of us are not particularly interested in how many miles we will earn) and it's not always clear cut, for example because of the marketing/operating distinction that you mention.
Nov 26, 2014, 9:27 am
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I know. My point was just that it doesn't belong in the thread title. It's secondary information (many of us are not particularly interested in how many miles we will earn) and it's not always clear cut, for example because of the marketing/operating distinction that you mention.
My point was just that it doesn't belong in the thread title. It's secondary information (many of us are not particularly interested in how many miles we will earn) and it's not always clear cut, for example because of the marketing/operating distinction that you mention.I've already pointed out some big differences for DL FFers using DL marketed and DL operated flights.
It's helpful and important information in many cases. Adding a single fare class letter to the thread title seems like a useful addition in many cases that won't do any harm if someone needs to check further.
Nov 26, 2014, 10:09 am
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Some fares have different booking classes for different flight segments.
Some fares include codeshares, and there may not be alignment of booking code between marketing and operating airlines. For some FFPs it is the code of the marketing airline that matters while for others it is the code of the operating airline that matters. In general the mapping between marketing and operating airline booking codes is not public, although in some cases has been deduced by FTers.
Treatment of -UP fares. Both the non-upgraded and the upgraded booking classes are relevant information that are of use.
There is a risk that some people get lazy and omit the class of travel. Then readers have to try and work out if F means cabin or booking class (on some airlines F booking class is economy).
It is easier to include within the post the clarifying information on booking classes.
Nov 26, 2014, 10:16 am
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We’ve been watching the new subforum for a month, and had a lot of discussion in the background. We have settled several issues, and are looking for input on others.
Now, here are the things we’d like to get some input on:
2) Do Premium Economy Fares belong here?
We see some potential problems coming up with Premium Economy. We've already had some discussion about that -- e.g., do these fares belong here at all, and why is TK/CX ok, but not UA? To many posters, it doesn’t make sense to house PE with C/F fares, while others say, anything more comfortable than standard coach should be discussed here.
So, here’s your chance to provide input on the future direction of this subforum. Please understand that we’re specifically asking for input about items 1-4, but NOT about larger issues, including whether this topic should have been created at all, the flaws with the process leading to its creation, etc – that discussion has a place in the “Close the recently created Premium Deals Forum” thread in the TB forum.
--jpdx, MR Moderator, on behalf of the MR forum moderators
Now, here are the things we’d like to get some input on:
2) Do Premium Economy Fares belong here?
We see some potential problems coming up with Premium Economy. We've already had some discussion about that -- e.g., do these fares belong here at all, and why is TK/CX ok, but not UA? To many posters, it doesn’t make sense to house PE with C/F fares, while others say, anything more comfortable than standard coach should be discussed here.
So, here’s your chance to provide input on the future direction of this subforum. Please understand that we’re specifically asking for input about items 1-4, but NOT about larger issues, including whether this topic should have been created at all, the flaws with the process leading to its creation, etc – that discussion has a place in the “Close the recently created Premium Deals Forum” thread in the TB forum.
--jpdx, MR Moderator, on behalf of the MR forum moderators
Once again, premium economy cabin fares are different fare classes from coach and apply to a separate cabin on the aircraft. This includes BA WT+, AF Premium Economy, products offered by NZ, QF, etc. but NOT UA Y+ or DL/KLM EC which are just special seats in coach that carry an additional fee for some passengers rather than requiring different fare classes.
Last edited by MSPeconomist; Nov 26, 2014 at 10:29 am Reason: shorten quote
Nov 26, 2014, 1:36 pm
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I some cases it's crucial information. There are some business class and domestic FC fares in *A that don't earn any miles at all on certain partners. For example, UA A fares didn't earn anything on A3 the last time I checked. Another example from *A is the Z class international long haul business class fares on LH that IIRC cannot be upgraded with UA SWUs....
And actually, this was discussed in talkboard before the vote, and the person making the motion said he wanted a forum appeal to the "airline agnostic, [who] care more about class of service than the airline it is on".
Perhaps because moderators already have been able to adjust the issue of [FARE GONE], also explicitly mentioned in the motion?
Nov 26, 2014, 2:50 pm
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We know. It isn't that you haven't made your point clearly, it's just that some of us don't agree with your conclusion. As others have pointed out, both here and in the earlier thread, for various combinations of airlines (marketing, operating) and FFPs there are other bits of information that are crucial to some readers -- but secondary or unimportant for many. Far better to keep things clean and stick to the sensible thread title essentials suggested by SQ421.
It isn't that you haven't made your point clearly, it's just that some of us don't agree with your conclusion. As others have pointed out, both here and in the earlier thread, for various combinations of airlines (marketing, operating) and FFPs there are other bits of information that are crucial to some readers -- but secondary or unimportant for many. Far better to keep things clean and stick to the sensible thread title essentials suggested by SQ421.
Nov 26, 2014, 4:48 pm
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I some cases it's crucial information. There are some business class and domestic FC fares in *A that don't earn any miles at all on certain partners. For example, UA A fares didn't earn anything on A3 the last time I checked. Another example from *A is the Z class international long haul business class fares on LH that IIRC cannot be upgraded with UA SWUs.
I've already pointed out some big differences for DL FFers using DL marketed and DL operated flights.
It's helpful and important information in many cases. Adding a single fare class letter to the thread title seems like a useful addition in many cases that won't do any harm if someone needs to check further.
I've already pointed out some big differences for DL FFers using DL marketed and DL operated flights.
It's helpful and important information in many cases. Adding a single fare class letter to the thread title seems like a useful addition in many cases that won't do any harm if someone needs to check further.
Nov 26, 2014, 5:20 pm
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I'd just like to agree with jpdx's suggestion that "quotes should be given in a currency that is meaningful to the fare" -- I recently saw a fare ex-Japan quoted in EUR. Given the currency fluctuations that occur on a regular basis, it would be great if posters could post fares in a currency relevant to that fare (EUR for ex-EU flights, AUD for ex-AUD flights, etc.). Fares in a relatively minor currency could be posted in USD.
Nov 26, 2014, 6:37 pm
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F&C only.
First off, thank you to the moderators for all your work in organising and keeping this forum sane.
IMHO, the sub-forum should only be F&C fares... PE is still Y.
IMHO, the sub-forum should only be F&C fares... PE is still Y.
Nov 27, 2014, 2:42 am
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Nov 27, 2014, 2:47 am
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I'd just like to agree with jpdx's suggestion that "quotes should be given in a currency that is meaningful to the fare" -- I recently saw a fare ex-Japan quoted in EUR. Given the currency fluctuations that occur on a regular basis, it would be great if posters could post fares in a currency relevant to that fare (EUR for ex-EU flights, AUD for ex-AUD flights, etc.). Fares in a relatively minor currency could be posted in USD.
Nov 27, 2014, 5:39 am
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I'd just like to agree with jpdx's suggestion that "quotes should be given in a currency that is meaningful to the fare" -- I recently saw a fare ex-Japan quoted in EUR. Given the currency fluctuations that occur on a regular basis, it would be great if posters could post fares in a currency relevant to that fare (EUR for ex-EU flights, AUD for ex-AUD flights, etc.). Fares in a relatively minor currency could be posted in USD.
I suppose this requires an ExpertFlyer subscription to discern.