Need advice from anyone who lists "City of Birth" as place of birth in US passport.
May 11, 2015, 11:27 am
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So has anything happened with this? Admittedly not something I follow.
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May 11, 2015, 12:39 pm
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What is done is listing the actual place of birth in the CRBA and/or passport, if the parents file that with State and there is good reason to know that the birthing location's physical address is distinct from host country-documented reference.
May 15, 2015, 10:01 am
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I have a co-worker who was born in Los Angeles and at time of his birth,
both of his parents were naturalized US citizens originally from Switzerland.
The interesting thing was that his Swiss ID documents show birthplace as
the canton that his parents were originally from!
May 15, 2015, 10:39 am
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This is actually the second time this controversy has been heard by SCOTUS. In 2012, when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State rather than John Kerry, the case was captioned Zivotofsky v. Clinton. SCOTUS reversed a Court of Appeals' ruling that the issue was a "political question" not subject to the court's jurisdiction. The case was remanded to the Court of Appeals for a decision on the merits of the constitutional issue. On remand the Court of Appeals determined that the law was an unconstitutional infringement upon the President's powers and this is the subject of the current appeal.
May 15, 2015, 11:05 am
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It's the case of Zivotofsky v. Kerry. SCOTUS has not yet announced the decision. It was argued last November (2014) and is currently the oldest case still awaiting a decision. The decision should be announced before the end of the term in June.
This is actually the second time this controversy has been heard by SCOTUS. In 2012, when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State rather than John Kerry, the case was captioned Zivotofsky v. Clinton. SCOTUS reversed a Court of Appeals' ruling that the issue was a "political question" not subject to the court's jurisdiction. The case was remanded to the Court of Appeals for a decision on the merits of the constitutional issue. On remand the Court of Appeals determined that the law was an unconstitutional infringement upon the President's powers and this is the subject of the current appeal.
This is actually the second time this controversy has been heard by SCOTUS. In 2012, when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State rather than John Kerry, the case was captioned Zivotofsky v. Clinton. SCOTUS reversed a Court of Appeals' ruling that the issue was a "political question" not subject to the court's jurisdiction. The case was remanded to the Court of Appeals for a decision on the merits of the constitutional issue. On remand the Court of Appeals determined that the law was an unconstitutional infringement upon the President's powers and this is the subject of the current appeal.
make a political statement. The place of birth should really be purely
geographical. Might as well put down just the GPS coordinates of the
location of birth to avoid any confuse as to the exact place of birth.
Such as: 21°16'34.6"N 157°49'38.0"W
May 15, 2015, 11:07 am
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Thanks! That made sense.
I have a co-worker who was born in Los Angeles and at time of his birth,
both of his parents were naturalized US citizens originally from Switzerland.
The interesting thing was that his Swiss ID documents show birthplace as
the canton that his parents were originally from!
I have a co-worker who was born in Los Angeles and at time of his birth,
both of his parents were naturalized US citizens originally from Switzerland.
The interesting thing was that his Swiss ID documents show birthplace as
the canton that his parents were originally from!
Then even government researchers from the involved countries may get confused. I recall this first coming up to my attention when U.S. government prosecutors wanted to figure out how to go after some citizens, naturalized or natural-born, for reasons that didn't originate with concerns about filing paperwork with the U.S. federal government.
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May 15, 2015, 11:23 am
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is not operated by the Vulcans, right?
May 15, 2015, 12:33 pm
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Yes, which doesn't change the fact that I recall this first coming up to my attention when U.S. government prosecutors wanted to figure out how to go after some US citizens, naturalized or natural-born, for reasons that didn't originate with concerns about those US citizens or their US relatives' filing of paperwork with the U.S. federal government.
May 24, 2015, 8:06 pm
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I found this thread of interest as
I was born in Panama City, Panama while my Father was serving at Fort Clayton and Gorgas Hospital (the US Army Hospital in Panama City).
My old Passport had Panama as my Place of Birth, I never requested a change to the city of Birth but on my new Passport it has Panama City as my place of birth which IMHO is not very precise, as Panama City could refer to either Panama City, Panama or Panama City, FL.
To this day, I have no idea why the Passport Agency decided to remove Panama from the Place of Birth line and I have not had any issues, so I truly do not care, but I have always found it strange.
On forms that ask for place of Birth, I generally write Panama and nobody has batted an eyelash or said anything.
I was born in Panama City, Panama while my Father was serving at Fort Clayton and Gorgas Hospital (the US Army Hospital in Panama City).
My old Passport had Panama as my Place of Birth, I never requested a change to the city of Birth but on my new Passport it has Panama City as my place of birth which IMHO is not very precise, as Panama City could refer to either Panama City, Panama or Panama City, FL.
To this day, I have no idea why the Passport Agency decided to remove Panama from the Place of Birth line and I have not had any issues, so I truly do not care, but I have always found it strange.
On forms that ask for place of Birth, I generally write Panama and nobody has batted an eyelash or said anything.
May 24, 2015, 10:10 pm
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If you were born prior to 1979, and if you were born in Gorgas Hospital, you were not born in the nation of Panama -- at the time, Gorgas was situated on US territory in the former Panama Canal Zone, which didn't revert to Panama until 1979.
May 25, 2015, 12:40 am
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I found this thread of interest as
I was born in Panama City, Panama while my Father was serving at Fort Clayton and Gorgas Hospital (the US Army Hospital in Panama City).
My old Passport had Panama as my Place of Birth, I never requested a change to the city of Birth but on my new Passport it has Panama City as my place of birth which IMHO is not very precise, as Panama City could refer to either Panama City, Panama or Panama City, FL.
To this day, I have no idea why the Passport Agency decided to remove Panama from the Place of Birth line and I have not had any issues, so I truly do not care, but I have always found it strange.
On forms that ask for place of Birth, I generally write Panama and nobody has batted an eyelash or said anything.
I was born in Panama City, Panama while my Father was serving at Fort Clayton and Gorgas Hospital (the US Army Hospital in Panama City).
My old Passport had Panama as my Place of Birth, I never requested a change to the city of Birth but on my new Passport it has Panama City as my place of birth which IMHO is not very precise, as Panama City could refer to either Panama City, Panama or Panama City, FL.
To this day, I have no idea why the Passport Agency decided to remove Panama from the Place of Birth line and I have not had any issues, so I truly do not care, but I have always found it strange.
On forms that ask for place of Birth, I generally write Panama and nobody has batted an eyelash or said anything.
Jun 8, 2015, 9:11 am
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And this morning the Supreme Court ruled on the Zivotofsky case. SCOTUSblog's commentary:
So Congress can't force the State Department to list Jerusalem as "Israel" on US passports as a place of birth.
DC Circuit affirmed. President has the exclusive power to grant formal recognition to a foreign sovereign.
And because the power to recognize foreign states resides in the executive, the statute here infringes on the executive's consistent decision to withhold recognition.
And because the power to recognize foreign states resides in the executive, the statute here infringes on the executive's consistent decision to withhold recognition.
Jun 8, 2015, 1:45 pm
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And this morning the Supreme Court ruled on the Zivotofsky case. SCOTUSblog's commentary:
So Congress can't force the State Department to list Jerusalem as "Israel" on US passports as a place of birth.
So Congress can't force the State Department to list Jerusalem as "Israel" on US passports as a place of birth.
I'm not surprised at all. I am not a Jew or Israeli, but I am 125% pro-Israel.
However, I absolutely do NOT support the Congress's actions to force this
issue on the State Dept. The executive branch has the right in these
matters. It's not a simple geographic problem, but a complicated political/
diplomatic dilemma.
IMHO, all U.S. passports should *only* list name of city/town of birth, just
like what most civilized European and Asian countries do.
By the way, I wonder how the US citizen parents of a baby boy born in
Yalta, Crimea last year will proceed with their request to have the baby's
US passport's place of birth. It is my understanding that they want it
to say "RUSSIA" but I'm sure the State Dept will not comply with that
request. They were waiting for the outcome of the Zivotofsky case.
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Jun 9, 2015, 3:56 am
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Most "civilized" countries issue passports that list country of birth in the passports, whether or not that is the case for the majority of their issued passports or not.
Aug 12, 2015, 1:52 am
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Two siblings born at the same hospital in the same bed in the same room have different cities listed as "place of birth" despite the hospital being in the same country for all of its history. How could such a thing happen? The historical state church downsizes, for cost-control reasons, and eliminates/merges some parishes thus leading to different "place of birth" in government documents for persons born in the same hospital room and bed.
A lot of government officials -- even in countries with this kind of "parish" register system -- don't really get how this takes place.
A lot of government officials -- even in countries with this kind of "parish" register system -- don't really get how this takes place.
