One Bin Per Person - And That Means YOU!
Mar 4, 2008, 5:25 pm
#31
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 232
Stupid thing to even suggest, even dumber to attempt to enforce one bin per person. The problem is, when we do lack bins (MCO had a serious issue with this a while back, and now we have a retarded cart system which is a serious b*tch to get in and out), and we ask people to put their shoes, backpacks, or suitcases right on the belt, they don't.
You guys don't like to be delayed, but we have a very limited amount of rollers at our airport, and the more of those bins used, causes us to do more work with our limited manpower for no reason.
Anybody (and I mean anybody) at the airport who yells at me about taking more than one bin can Go Straight to Hell.
Perfect example. Your shoes, jacket, and food could fit all in one container, with the liquids on top or thrown in a bowl with your change/keys/cell phone.
You guys don't like to be delayed, but we have a very limited amount of rollers at our airport, and the more of those bins used, causes us to do more work with our limited manpower for no reason.
Anybody (and I mean anybody) at the airport who yells at me about taking more than one bin can Go Straight to Hell.
Let's review what I have to remove: Laptop out of bag. One bin.
Shoes off and one quart KHIAI baggie. Another bin.
Small plastic bag of food for flight. Another bin.
Jacket or coat. Another bin.
Don't like it? Go ..... yourself.
Shoes off and one quart KHIAI baggie. Another bin.
Small plastic bag of food for flight. Another bin.
Jacket or coat. Another bin.
Don't like it? Go ..... yourself.
Perfect example. Your shoes, jacket, and food could fit all in one container, with the liquids on top or thrown in a bowl with your change/keys/cell phone.
Mar 4, 2008, 5:35 pm
#32
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Houston
Posts: 8,956
I guess it would be too much trouble to adopt a system like I have seen in Europe where the bins after they are used are just placed on rollers that gravity-feed them back to the starting point for them to be used again. 
Cuts down on labor required so Mr. One-Bin TSO can find something else to do.
Cuts down on labor required so Mr. One-Bin TSO can find something else to do.
Mar 4, 2008, 5:53 pm
#33
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: DEN
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There is no way I could go with only one bin. I have to use three every time. I could cut it down to two if the laptop didn't have to go solo.
1 - Laptop
2 - Jacket, shoes, Kippie, cell phones
3 - Tools laid out (always triggers a bag check)
If I am only allowed one bin, why not just leave everything in my bag?
I have had TSAers look at my Kippie then place it beside my laptop. The one time I place my Blackberry in the bin next to the laptop (not on it) I got yelled at. I wish they would be consistent.
1 - Laptop
2 - Jacket, shoes, Kippie, cell phones
3 - Tools laid out (always triggers a bag check)
If I am only allowed one bin, why not just leave everything in my bag?
I have had TSAers look at my Kippie then place it beside my laptop. The one time I place my Blackberry in the bin next to the laptop (not on it) I got yelled at. I wish they would be consistent.
Mar 4, 2008, 5:56 pm
#34
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 232
I guess it would be too much trouble to adopt a system like I have seen in Europe where the bins after they are used are just placed on rollers that gravity-feed them back to the starting point for them to be used again. Cuts down on labor required so Mr. One-Bin TSO can find something else to do.
Cuts down on labor required so Mr. One-Bin TSO can find something else to do.
Mar 4, 2008, 10:47 pm
#37
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How foolish!
I've personally meet the current director Mr Hawley and several other senior officers at a social event in D.C. Yes, the topic came up about the TSA's operations and the conduct of the field personnel. During the initial conversation opening he interrupted with a angry and contempt filled response about anyone who would think to complain about him, or the TSA.
I was shocked by his retort.
It only reinforces what I learned years ago; an organization's “attitude” is a reflection of its leaders attitude.
So since the means to complain effectively, are not present would it not mean that it's not a priority of the management?
I've personally meet the current director Mr Hawley and several other senior officers at a social event in D.C. Yes, the topic came up about the TSA's operations and the conduct of the field personnel. During the initial conversation opening he interrupted with a angry and contempt filled response about anyone who would think to complain about him, or the TSA.
I was shocked by his retort.
It only reinforces what I learned years ago; an organization's “attitude” is a reflection of its leaders attitude.
So since the means to complain effectively, are not present would it not mean that it's not a priority of the management?
Mar 5, 2008, 5:20 am
#38
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 966
Stupid thing to even suggest, even dumber to attempt to enforce one bin per person. The problem is, when we do lack bins (MCO had a serious issue with this a while back, and now we have a retarded cart system which is a serious b*tch to get in and out), and we ask people to put their shoes, backpacks, or suitcases right on the belt, they don't.
Come on, Iworkhere, I truly expected better than THAT from you...
Anybody (and I mean anybody) at the airport who yells at me about taking more than one bin can Go Straight to Hell.
Perfect example. Your shoes, jacket, and food could fit all in one container, with the liquids on top or thrown in a bowl with your change/keys/cell phone.
Perfect example. Your shoes, jacket, and food could fit all in one container, with the liquids on top or thrown in a bowl with your change/keys/cell phone.
Don't be a moat dragon, PLEASE!
Mar 5, 2008, 6:06 am
#39
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 232
erictank -
I have never seen a suitcase, briefcase, or backpack get "caught" in the belt. Ever. Strollers it happens to from time to time, generally when they're too big for the machine. I throw my shoes, which have to come off every time I go in and out of the checkpoint , and my backpack 3-4 times a day through the x-ray. Nothing has ever been damaged. Please tell me how bags you've seen ripped to shreds caught in the belt?
Because, of course, it's perfectly reasonable to demand that the paying passengers subject their personal belongings such as shoes, backpacks, or suitcases to a demonstratedly-higher likelihood of damage (due to getting caught up in the conveyor belt) because your agency can't provide adequate supplies for the line.
Come on, Iworkhere, I truly expected better than THAT from you...
Come on, Iworkhere, I truly expected better than THAT from you...
Mar 5, 2008, 6:34 am
#40
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I refuse to put my purse, jacket etc on top of WET shoes. Just got my travel agenda for April. I'm driving over 300 miles each way to a meeting because it is not much slower than flying.
Not my choice, but I will do it.
Since all this TSA stuff started our maximum driving distance has grown and grown, but this is the first time it has gotten to 300 miles!
Not my choice, but I will do it.
Since all this TSA stuff started our maximum driving distance has grown and grown, but this is the first time it has gotten to 300 miles!
Mar 5, 2008, 7:29 am
#41
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: BKK, MKE
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Abundance of Caution
My response to bin rationing; It is with an abundance of caution that I will continue to use as many bins as I deem necessary to protect my property from real or imagined threats. There is a certain satisfaction to be gained by throwing TSA's poor excuse for policy and procedures back at them.
Mar 5, 2008, 7:36 am
#42
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My response to bin rationing; It is with an abundance of caution that I will continue to use as many bins as I deem necessary to protect my property from real or imagined threats. There is a certain satisfaction to be gained by throwing TSA's poor excuse for policy and procedures back at them.
If I can't be trusted with my bottle of water, why should I trust that $4.00 bottle of water at Hudson News that has not been screened?
Mar 5, 2008, 8:27 am
#43
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One bin?
Sure! Tell Candyass Kip that shoes will remain on passengers' feet (where they belong!), liquids will not be put in an Idiot baggie or otherwise restricted, laptops will remain in bags, and the stupid list of prohibited items will be sharply reduced.
Until that happens, take 'one bin' and cram it sideways, BWI and other stupid TSA stations.
Sure! Tell Candyass Kip that shoes will remain on passengers' feet (where they belong!), liquids will not be put in an Idiot baggie or otherwise restricted, laptops will remain in bags, and the stupid list of prohibited items will be sharply reduced.
Until that happens, take 'one bin' and cram it sideways, BWI and other stupid TSA stations.
Last edited by Spiff; Mar 5, 2008 at 8:34 am
Mar 5, 2008, 10:21 am
#45
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At LAX (my home airport, which constitutes approximately half of my screening encounters), management bought relatively small bins. They're about the size of a typical newspaper and about three inches deep. Some airports use full size restaurant bus tubs. Not LAX.
A full-size pair of adult shoes and the bin is full. The food is often in a typical carryout styrofoam clamshell and effectively fills a bin. Jacket? I'm not a two-year old - my jacket more than fills the bin by itself.
It's this sort of arrogance (all your stuff could fit in one bin) that reveals the TSA as nothing more than an institutionalized effort to annoy people. Not to provide real security for Americans. Just an organized effort to needlessly hassle them. Thank you for so eloquently demonstrating my point.
As I said before - anyone who yells at me at the airport about the number of bins I use can GO STRAIGHT TO HELL.
Don't like it? Let's call over a real LEO. Maybe that will curb the screeners' disorderly conduct.