Domestic ONLY Travel/Security Question on Warrants and Immigration for example
Dec 16, 2007, 11:20 pm
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Dec 17, 2007, 9:11 am
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I agree with some others on this board, using the Airlines/Airports as a dragnet violates due process. The mere act of purchasing a ticket to fly on a domestic airline does not grant reasonable suspicion or probable cause to perform an NCIC or locality check on any individual.
Dec 17, 2007, 9:28 am
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Dec 17, 2007, 9:31 am
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Dec 17, 2007, 9:39 am
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I agree with some others on this board, using the Airlines/Airports as a dragnet violates due process. The mere act of purchasing a ticket to fly on a domestic airline does not grant reasonable suspicion or probable cause to perform an NCIC or locality check on any individual.
Why is an airport apparently scared ground, but a restaurant is not? Better still, what about an ATM machine? Hell, it's their money from their bank.
Dec 17, 2007, 10:00 am
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Then please explain why law enforcement agencies routinely track credit/debit card usage as a means to find criminals. There is nothing illegal about buying dinner, groceries, whatever, either.
Why is an airport apparently scared ground, but a restaurant is not? Better still, what about an ATM machine? Hell, it's their money from their bank.
Why is an airport apparently scared ground, but a restaurant is not? Better still, what about an ATM machine? Hell, it's their money from their bank.
My reply was limited to a response concerning domestic airline travel and airline/airport activities in relation to warrant checks being performed. How you take that from an airport being sacred to a restaurant not being in the same category is beyond me.
IMO, warrantless searches of credit/debit card usage is a violation of the 4th Amendment, regardless of location. My mere presence in the world, or use of a credit card for purchases, does not grant the authority for a LEO to perform an NCIC check without the presence of a warrant.
Dec 17, 2007, 10:14 am
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This question is only related to domestic only travel with lower 48.
Is our the government, big brother and/or airlines now checking that DHS consolidated database for Criminal Background checks/warrant checks, immigration violations etc...
Meaning if someone flew on a short domestic flight he/she could be arrested for a outstanding warrant or immigration violation.
If it is not happening yet, I bet its only a matter of time....
No civil rights left in US.
Is our the government, big brother and/or airlines now checking that DHS consolidated database for Criminal Background checks/warrant checks, immigration violations etc...
Meaning if someone flew on a short domestic flight he/she could be arrested for a outstanding warrant or immigration violation.
If it is not happening yet, I bet its only a matter of time....
No civil rights left in US.
Dec 17, 2007, 7:46 pm
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Ok, I fold...and I really wanted a good cup of coffee! I did the poly once for No Such Agency and it wasn't a pleasant experience. I could swear the examiner had one of the lead roles in "Revenge of the Nerds." He flipped out because I admitted to forging a grade in 6th grade (a "c" to a "b", my first bad grade, mind you...and, yes, I did pay the price since I was grounded from basically all life for the next three months). He said something to the effect, "Walker did that!"
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Dec 17, 2007, 7:57 pm
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Ok, I fold...and I really wanted a good cup of coffee! I did the poly once for No Such Agency and it wasn't a pleasant experience. I could swear the examiner had one of the lead roles in "Revenge of the Nerds." He flipped out because I admitted to forging a grade in 6th grade (a "c" to a "b", my first bad grade, mind you...and, yes, I did pay the price since I was grounded from basically all life for the next three months). He said something to the effect, "Walker did that!"
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Dec 18, 2007, 11:17 am
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Do you truly believe that someone with outstanding warrants would put themselves in a position (like applying for a job for instance) that would require a background check? That aside, the message you are sending then is that airports are some kid of "safety zone"? A felon need only get to CVG and shout "all in free" or something? Sorry, I don't want him on my flight, he's all yours.
Why is an airport apparently scared ground, but a restaurant is not? Better still, what about an ATM machine? Hell, it's their money from their bank.
Dec 18, 2007, 3:01 pm
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Since some of you can't seem to get past sarcasm and idiotic comments, I guess I'm done. But I'll leave you with this thought. Who exactly are these people you are so bound to coddle and protect? Deadbeat dads? Maybe. Wanted felons? Probably. At the very least they all have warrants or are here illegally, according to the premise here. So, do you truly believe that they are living in mainstream society and, for example, paying taxes every year? Or instead, are they costing each of us some sum of money due to lost tax revenue, increased law enforcement workload, etc.
So why you want to kiss their collective asses is beyond me, frankly. But it's a free country - have at it.
So why you want to kiss their collective asses is beyond me, frankly. But it's a free country - have at it.
Dec 18, 2007, 4:49 pm
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Since some of you can't seem to get past sarcasm and idiotic comments, I guess I'm done. But I'll leave you with this thought. Who exactly are these people you are so bound to coddle and protect? Deadbeat dads? Maybe. Wanted felons? Probably. At the very least they all have warrants or are here illegally, according to the premise here. So, do you truly believe that they are living in mainstream society and, for example, paying taxes every year? Or instead, are they costing each of us some sum of money due to lost tax revenue, increased law enforcement workload, etc.
So why you want to kiss their collective asses is beyond me, frankly. But it's a free country - have at it.
So why you want to kiss their collective asses is beyond me, frankly. But it's a free country - have at it.
Dec 18, 2007, 9:26 pm
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Many of those people are the dregs of the earth, but those are not who I am trying to protect in the situation posited. I am trying to protect the innocent ones, the rule of law and our constitution. Somewhat analogous to the saying that, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
They need to do it the right way.
Dec 19, 2007, 5:02 pm
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Those asses -- the dregs of society, as ND Sol opined -- still have a right to due process in this country, last I checked. Criminal dragnets should not come at the expense of the principle of presumption of innocence. @:-)
Last edited by essxjay; Dec 19, 2007 at 6:27 pm